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In reply to the discussion: So, when will McCain be made to answer for arming the Benghazi rebels who attacked the US embassy? [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)34. Recall last May, Rice was pushing for Iraq-style US-NATO action outside a UNSC authorization.
Last edited Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:10 PM - Edit history (1)
Members of the international community are left with the option only of having to consider whether they are prepared to take actions outside of the Annan plan and the authority of this council, Rice said on Wednesday after the 15-member council met in a closed door session to discuss last weeks massacre.
The United Nations is conducting its own investigation of who exactly is responsible for the bloodshed in the town of Houla. However the US and its allies seem to have come to their own conclusion, saying that the Assad government is solely responsible for the violence.
Rice did not specify what actions she meant. However the US and European countries had earlier imposed their own sanction on Syria outside the UN. So there are fears that her words could mean the threat of military action.
The US envoy said the worst but most probable scenario in Syria is a failure of Annan's peace plan and a spreading conflict that could create a major crisis not only in Syria but also in the entire region.
"The Syrian government has made commitments. It has blatantly violated those commitments, and, I think it's quite clear, as we have said for many weeks if they continue to do so there should be consequences," Rice said.
http://rt.com/news/us-sanctions-syria-un-649/; Rice's comments also reported here, http://www.cfr.org/syria/ambassador-rices-remarks-syria-may-2012/p28421
The United Nations is conducting its own investigation of who exactly is responsible for the bloodshed in the town of Houla. However the US and its allies seem to have come to their own conclusion, saying that the Assad government is solely responsible for the violence.
Rice did not specify what actions she meant. However the US and European countries had earlier imposed their own sanction on Syria outside the UN. So there are fears that her words could mean the threat of military action.
The US envoy said the worst but most probable scenario in Syria is a failure of Annan's peace plan and a spreading conflict that could create a major crisis not only in Syria but also in the entire region.
"The Syrian government has made commitments. It has blatantly violated those commitments, and, I think it's quite clear, as we have said for many weeks if they continue to do so there should be consequences," Rice said.
http://rt.com/news/us-sanctions-syria-un-649/; Rice's comments also reported here, http://www.cfr.org/syria/ambassador-rices-remarks-syria-may-2012/p28421
It turned out, the Houla Massacre wasn't clearly the Assad regime's doing. Probably the best perspectice on that event was provided by BBC World News Editor, John Williams , who reflected on June 7:
In the aftermath of the massacre at Houla last month, initial reports said some of the 49 children and 34 women killed had their throats cut. In Damascus, Western officials told me the subsequent investigation revealed none of those found dead had been killed in such a brutal manner. Moreover, while Syrian forces had shelled the area shortly before the massacre, the details of exactly who carried out the attacks, how and why were still unclear. Whatever the cause, officials fear the attack marks the beginning of the sectarian aspect of the conflict.
In such circumstances, it's more important than ever that we report what we don't know, not merely what we do. In Houla, and now in Qubair, the finger has been pointed at the shabiha, pro-government militia. But tragic death toll aside, the facts are few: it's not clear who ordered the killings - or why.
Given the difficulties of reporting inside Syria, video filed by the opposition on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube may provide some insight into the story on the ground. But stories are never black and white - often shades of grey. Those opposed to President Assad have an agenda. One senior Western official went as far as to describe their YouTube communications strategy as "brilliant". But he also likened it to so-called "psy-ops", brainwashing techniques used by the US and other military to convince people of things that may not necessarily be true.
A healthy scepticism is one of the essential qualities of any journalist - never more so than in reporting conflict. The stakes are high - all may not always be as it seems.
Jon Williams is the BBC World News editor. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/jon_williams/
In such circumstances, it's more important than ever that we report what we don't know, not merely what we do. In Houla, and now in Qubair, the finger has been pointed at the shabiha, pro-government militia. But tragic death toll aside, the facts are few: it's not clear who ordered the killings - or why.
Given the difficulties of reporting inside Syria, video filed by the opposition on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube may provide some insight into the story on the ground. But stories are never black and white - often shades of grey. Those opposed to President Assad have an agenda. One senior Western official went as far as to describe their YouTube communications strategy as "brilliant". But he also likened it to so-called "psy-ops", brainwashing techniques used by the US and other military to convince people of things that may not necessarily be true.
A healthy scepticism is one of the essential qualities of any journalist - never more so than in reporting conflict. The stakes are high - all may not always be as it seems.
Jon Williams is the BBC World News editor. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/jon_williams/
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So, when will McCain be made to answer for arming the Benghazi rebels who attacked the US embassy? [View all]
bigtree
Feb 2013
OP
McCain's Benghazi obsession is that the US didn't fully follow-through and arm the Syrian rebels
leveymg
Feb 2013
#1
McCain is upset because we didn't arm Syrian rebels. Rand Paul is upset because he thinks we did.
pampango
Feb 2013
#14
She wouldn't make much of a poker player. Her response is pure "neither confirm nor deny."
leveymg
Feb 2013
#15
Biden and Donilon 'advised against it' and Rice was 'skeptical'. The article does not indicate that
pampango
Feb 2013
#28
Read these two sentences together, and that's what it says about Rice's position.
leveymg
Feb 2013
#30
Recall last May, Rice was pushing for Iraq-style US-NATO action outside a UNSC authorization.
leveymg
Feb 2013
#34
"Rice did not specify what 'actions' she meant." "There are fears that her words could mean
pampango
Feb 2013
#35
What else could Rice mean other than "the threat of military action"? That's certainly how they
leveymg
Feb 2013
#36
Most of the GOP critique is a sort of red herring, and only one publicly addressed the real issue.
leveymg
Feb 2013
#25
it's a bit clearer to me why the President's held off arming Syrian resistance fighters
bigtree
Feb 2013
#8
You're implying that we have a media that will hold him accountable.
ForgoTheConsequence
Feb 2013
#10