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davidcay

(22 posts)
50. from the author of the piece
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:40 PM
Feb 2013

I do wish posters here would read what I wrote in full, available at Salon.com or AlterNet.org, before posting and then focus on the issue I wrote about -- which was not about Dorner, but about how the fusillade of bullets fired without warning at two women in a blue pickup was far outside of LAPD policy. (The second shooting was by Torrance PD.)

In the 80s I reported on LAPD management for the LATimes, documenting a failure to solve crimes, massive political spying, brutality and other abuses. This was the first sustained independent examination ever of the LAPD.

My Salon.com piece does not defend Dorner, as some posters here seem to think. To those noting that, thank you.

Of course the police needed to catch Dorner before he killed more innocent people (like the daughter of an officer and her fiance) or officers (like the ambushed Riverside cops and the San Bernadino deputy).

But searching for a large black man in a grey Nissan Titan pickup does not justify shooting at two Latinas in a blue Toyota Tacoma pickup or a slight male surfer in a black Honda Ridgeline.

My Salon piece links to the LAPD policies, which cannot be reconciled with the attack on these innocent women.

To the angry posters here who seem to ignore or justify the LAPD shootings: How you would feel if, without warning, police shot at your wife or mother? They fired not one or two shots and then assessed, as policy and training require, but instead got off dozens of shots, many of which went wildly into homes. Second, do you think police are a law unto themselves or that must operate in accord with the policies of their departments and the law?

And if you plan to reply to this, again, please read my piece at http://www.salon.com/2013/02/16/lapds_indefensible_dorner_pursuit/

Thank you.
David Cay Johnston

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What Dorner did is indefensible AndyA Feb 2013 #1
And what is worse, Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #2
For the LAPD, "…By any means necessary," was their calling card. MrScorpio Feb 2013 #4
I didn't want anyone to think that I was defending Dorner AndyA Feb 2013 #6
And I have serious doubts that we'll have a fair accounting of their actions any time soon MrScorpio Feb 2013 #7
Depends on how much the city wants to pay the victims when they file suit. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #40
This wasn't an effort to prevent Dorner from talking pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #5
And woe to anyone who gets in their way, or just happens to kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #8
"Didn't want him to have a chance to talk" Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #12
Why the extreme anger? You have your opinion and others have theirs. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #48
He killed people? nm treestar Feb 2013 #52
Right. They didn't want him to talk about how much he despised lesbians and his high school teacher. randome Feb 2013 #14
So, you think the LAPD's desire to prevent him from making Facebook posts geek tragedy Feb 2013 #30
You're right there. LAPD was stuck on stupid throughout the manhunt. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #31
from the author of the piece davidcay Feb 2013 #50
Thank you for your response. cyberswede Feb 2013 #55
Sums it up very well. n/t Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #3
You are all correct! SCVDem Feb 2013 #9
And to think, we were all worried about the terrorists… MrScorpio Feb 2013 #15
The article doesn't criticize what they did to Dorner. It criticizes what they did geek tragedy Feb 2013 #17
Why are people still writing articles about it? The credits have rolled on that one. nt EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #10
Move on MrScorpio Feb 2013 #11
You're right, there is nothing to see here. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #13
Dorner may be dead, but the problem of police violence endures. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #27
Because the underlying issue of police abuse of power is much, much bigger than this case n/t markpkessinger Feb 2013 #49
Their conduct towards those people was indefensible and reprehensible. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #16
Which is why I'm sure that they didn't want the Press to witness how they took him down MrScorpio Feb 2013 #18
Or, because in order to witness it you had to be within range geek tragedy Feb 2013 #19
Oh, so that's why they told the news helicopters to leave the area MrScorpio Feb 2013 #21
God in heaven I wish Dorner was white. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #22
Well, I don't know what good that would've done MrScorpio Feb 2013 #24
It would have saved about 5000 posts at least Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #25
It would have lead to a lot fewer conspiracy theories geek tragedy Feb 2013 #26
Oh… So, accusations of racist behavior by the LAPD is just the stuff that fuels conspiracy theories? MrScorpio Feb 2013 #28
Of course the behavior of the LAPD is racist at times. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #29
You mean… MrScorpio Feb 2013 #32
his allegations of racism have nothing to do with how the police geek tragedy Feb 2013 #33
I'm merely recognizing the fact that there were other ex-LAPD who have supported his allegations MrScorpio Feb 2013 #34
You act as if racism allegations against the LAPD depended on his testimony. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #35
Again, the LAPD's response to Dorner's rampage and their subsequent handling of his accusations… MrScorpio Feb 2013 #41
You'll note that I more or less agree with you on the need to investigate the LAPD. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #42
Show me what in the OP prompted your massive verbiage? Noting in it suggests support of Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #44
Given that I've repeatedly said that the LAPD is the 3rd worst PD in the geek tragedy Feb 2013 #45
Clearing airspace around an armed standoff like this is SOP. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #23
What does that have to do with their opening fire, without warning, on various citizens? Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #38
How the cops treated Dorner once they had him surrounded and how they geek tragedy Feb 2013 #39
and this thread is about what the cops did to citizens who were not Dorner. One issue. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #46
Did you disagree with anything in my first post here? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #47
GT must control all DU discussions on anything related to the LAPD/Dorner case. shcrane71 Feb 2013 #54
Another view SCVDem Feb 2013 #20
Shooting at someone without probable cause is indefensible. Rex Feb 2013 #36
No, that is attempted murder the career path should be discussed with the warden. TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #56
Indefenible and also sadly typical of LAPD and associated California law enforcment Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #37
All Hail The Police… MrScorpio Feb 2013 #43
from the author of the piece davidcay Feb 2013 #51
Thanks for your excellent reporting and your additional input here, Mr. Johnston MrScorpio Feb 2013 #53
Can't agree with this. The man was a murderer on a rampage rustydog Feb 2013 #57
Kindly refer to reply #51 nt MrScorpio Feb 2013 #58
agree; street justice extinguishes the rule of law eom amborin Feb 2013 #59
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