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In reply to the discussion: I will tell you why Maddow's "Hubris" aired NOW and not back then. And you won't like it. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)169. "It doesn't have to stay this way"
I'm focusing on the last two points in the OP:
They do what they want. They're "history's actors" doncha know? They control the messaging, as they want. We get to watch Rachel Maddow and read Taibbi and ruminate over the two-hour Frontline scandals---months, if not years, after the crimes have been committed and the criminals are well into their next project.
It's disgusting, but that is the reality. It doesn't have to stay this way, but for now--it is this way.
It's disgusting, but that is the reality. It doesn't have to stay this way, but for now--it is this way.
It starts here:
Walker drops bomb #2, this time on Wisconsin's private sector unions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022402759
Poll: With A Lofty Approval Rating, Christie Trounces Likely Challenger In Guv Race
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/poll-still-holding-lofty-approval-rating-christie-trounces
Actually, it starts at even more local levels, but it gets real there. These are the assholes being cultivated to reek havoc on Americans, to carry on the legacy of deception, militarization and stolen elections.
The 2010 elections were a huge disappointment. Christie's election was too, as he is Governor of my state. Watching the hype of his inevitable re-election is sickening.
What's the difference between Christie and a teabagger? Think Progress posted his position on various issues:
Minimum Wage
Christie issued a conditional veto to the legislatures minimum wage increase, objecting to the size of the increase ($8.50-per-hour), the speed of implementation, and the fact that it was indexed to inflation, incorrectly asserting that the measure would jeopardize the economic recovery.
Millionaires Tax
Three years in a row, Christie has vetoed an incoming tax increase for the states wealthiest citizens, incorrectly asserting that it would lead to a mass exodus of rich people. Instead, he has insisted to massive spending cuts.
Abortion Access
Christie opposes a womans right to choose. At a 2011 rally opposing the U.S. Supreme Courts landmark Roe v. Wade decision, he said eliminating abortion was an issue whose time has come. He also cut state funding to Planned Parenthood.
Marriage Equality
Christie used his veto power to block marriage equality in New Jersey, saying marriage equality is not about gay rights. Instead, he proposed marriage equality should be subject to a harmful and expensive public referendum.
Climate Change
Though Christie claims to believe climate change is real, he pulled New Jersey out of a regional compact aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Gun Violence Prevention
Christie opposed New Jerseys one-gun-a-month limit and has been strongly critical of President Obamas approach, calling instead for violence control.
Obamacare
Christie vetoed a bill to allow New Jersey to setup a health insurance exchange under Obamacare.
School Vouchers
Christie has pushed for private school vouchers, which would take public education money and siphon it off to private and parochial schools.
DREAM Act
Christie has opposed offering in-state tuition for undocumented college students whose parents brought them to the United States as children. He said, I do not believe that, for the people who came here illegally, that we should be subsidizing, with taxpayer money, through in-state tuition, their education.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/02/19/1608041/chris-christie-andrew-cuomo/
Christie issued a conditional veto to the legislatures minimum wage increase, objecting to the size of the increase ($8.50-per-hour), the speed of implementation, and the fact that it was indexed to inflation, incorrectly asserting that the measure would jeopardize the economic recovery.
Millionaires Tax
Three years in a row, Christie has vetoed an incoming tax increase for the states wealthiest citizens, incorrectly asserting that it would lead to a mass exodus of rich people. Instead, he has insisted to massive spending cuts.
Abortion Access
Christie opposes a womans right to choose. At a 2011 rally opposing the U.S. Supreme Courts landmark Roe v. Wade decision, he said eliminating abortion was an issue whose time has come. He also cut state funding to Planned Parenthood.
Marriage Equality
Christie used his veto power to block marriage equality in New Jersey, saying marriage equality is not about gay rights. Instead, he proposed marriage equality should be subject to a harmful and expensive public referendum.
Climate Change
Though Christie claims to believe climate change is real, he pulled New Jersey out of a regional compact aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Gun Violence Prevention
Christie opposed New Jerseys one-gun-a-month limit and has been strongly critical of President Obamas approach, calling instead for violence control.
Obamacare
Christie vetoed a bill to allow New Jersey to setup a health insurance exchange under Obamacare.
School Vouchers
Christie has pushed for private school vouchers, which would take public education money and siphon it off to private and parochial schools.
DREAM Act
Christie has opposed offering in-state tuition for undocumented college students whose parents brought them to the United States as children. He said, I do not believe that, for the people who came here illegally, that we should be subsidizing, with taxpayer money, through in-state tuition, their education.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/02/19/1608041/chris-christie-andrew-cuomo/
This is the guy being hyped as a moderate Republican (there currently is no such being).
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I will tell you why Maddow's "Hubris" aired NOW and not back then. And you won't like it. [View all]
CoffeeCat
Feb 2013
OP
You wanna talk 9/11? The neocons admitted they needed a "Pearl Harbor-type event" to invade Iraq.
chimpymustgo
Feb 2013
#165
If you really study how they did it, all they have to do is nothing. It doesn't even have to be on
leveymg
Feb 2013
#177
When a well-known influential 3rd-Wayer participated in the promotion of Republican principles
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#175
Correct-aside from Keith and Air America - there was no public outcry of the outrage
KaryninMiami
Feb 2013
#15
keith & air america didn't exist when the war started. there was basically no one in the msm
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#153
Google "Operation Mockingbird." They say that it has been discontinued. n/t
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#11
Charlie Pierce just made a GREAT point about "Hubris" on Steph Miller's show this A.M.
bullwinkle428
Feb 2013
#14
Wow!!! When I Read That Quote By Rove - It Makes The Hair On The Back Of My Neck Stand Out....
global1
Feb 2013
#26
Agreed. And an important part of the implementation of the whole thing has been the recognition
patrice
Feb 2013
#33
I'm not sure they did. There were some people around OWS who were close to others who
patrice
Feb 2013
#98
General usage: intolerant views or practices; strong demogogic approach; obedience to strong leader
patrice
Feb 2013
#154
CoffeeCat may be referring to the fact that ALL of the necessary information was publicly
patrice
Feb 2013
#50
So shouldn't this mean that aggressive behavior against "history's actors" is pretty much necessary?
AZ Progressive
Feb 2013
#93
I think another thing that is affecting our ability to respond is how we compartmentalize our ISSUES
patrice
Feb 2013
#46
Yes, Chris "we're all Neocons now" Matthews and his fawning over Bush's Mission Accomplished moment
maddiemom
Feb 2013
#168
You knew they were all lying when Phil Donague tried to tell the truth and they
southernyankeebelle
Feb 2013
#52
ICAM. So where do you think Obama fits in? To what degree is he complicit?
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#57
There are a couple of possibilities. The CT version is that he made a deal with the devil
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#147
Maybe it's a combination of the two. If it's the latter, I think his legacy is already tarnished
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#172
You make some good points. Bottom line for me is I have seen no evidence Obama is even fighting it.
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#171
We knew what we were headed for by the caliber of the man...Where was the careful vetting by the...
Tikki
Feb 2013
#65
Too late to do anything about it. The only justice will come when these people burn in hell!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2013
#71
Just a point of fact: Rachael's show didn't start until 2008, Keith's in 2003, Cooper Sept 2003.
Fla Dem
Feb 2013
#75
Right. It prevents NOTHING. Whoever controls the anthrax controls the world. nt
valerief
Feb 2013
#76
Thanks for the full quote. Its always good to get to the source. Welcome to DU! nt
riderinthestorm
Feb 2013
#88
Forget Ayn Rand.It's always seemed that Rove and his ilk read Huxley and Welles
maddiemom
Feb 2013
#173
Media control has weakened, thankfully. Control of politics and media matters. Boycott $$$ Media.
Coyotl
Feb 2013
#85
K&R. Too little, too late. You've certainly nailed that head, but make no mistake, it is still
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2013
#91
and meanwhile new crimes are being committed that we are not allowed to talk about, are called
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#101
So when are we the people going to get really pissed and do something about those fuckers???????
Hotler
Feb 2013
#113
Not that it really matters; she got her first show in mid-2005, long after the run-up and invasion.
George II
Feb 2013
#144
The point of the OP is not so much about Rachel but about why a program like HUBRIS
Uncle Joe
Feb 2013
#128
K n R One of the best summaries I've seen here in a while. There is actually...
mojowork_n
Feb 2013
#141
Here, here. Well said. Hopefully you are not preaching to the choir and some of the lurkers
MichaelSoE
Feb 2013
#146
The traitors are so arrogant, they know if they break the law, they won't be punished.
Octafish
Feb 2013
#183