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JoePhilly

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33. Actually ...

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:55 PM

Feb 2013

Neither Hagel, Clinton, nor Kerry voted to "invade Iraq". I mean if you are going to be angry about it, at least know what they voted for. They voted to give Bush the authority to go to war, as a last resort, but not to invade, per se. They voted to give him the authority to make the decision, they did not vote for actually invading Iraq.

And the OP is correct about why McCain is pissed. McCain not only voted to give Bush that authority, he fully supported Bush in using that authority from day one. And then after day one, throughout the entire Iraq war, even after Bush left office.

I love that phrase "excellence in office" ... nice meaningless bumper sticker.

As for McCain / Fiengold, McCain no longer supports it.

And how exactly does any "anti-gay" vote from the 90s, or a "anti-choice vote" from then, impact his ability to be SECDEF today? DADT is over. And I'm not sure how his past votes on choice impact being SECDEF at all.

Regardless, NEITHER of those issues puts him at odds with the GOP, which means those issues aren't a factor in why the GOP hates him. Those are reasons that YOU hate him. Which is fine. But that has little to do with the topic in the OP ... the reasons that the GOP now hates him and thinks he can't be SECDEF.

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Speaking of HUBRIS, This is the Reason WHY Republicans HATE Chuck Hagel [View all] Segami Feb 2013 OP

Of course, Hagel's actual vote of Yes on the invasion of Iraq mitigates his late date qualms Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #1

Same is true for Hillary Clinton and Kerry I suppose. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #2

So, now pointing out treason, is treason? Volaris Feb 2013 #5

It's treason against the GOP in this case JoePhilly Feb 2013 #12

You say that as if I claimed otherwise. I did not mentionn others. I do not want either to be Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #6

They are the same on the topic of Iraq. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #14

They are not the same on LGBT rights, not the same on choice, not the same on anything else. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #15

Actually ... JoePhilly Feb 2013 #33

k&r... spanone Feb 2013 #3

No wonder grouchy McCain is pissed! Hagel was spot on speaking from experience and history! Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #4

My but Miss Condi libodem Feb 2013 #7

That was my thought too zeemike Feb 2013 #16

Those are some mean libodem Feb 2013 #18

Hagle voted to confirm her anyway. So what was the value of the threatrics? Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #21

Possibly because he believes that the President should have his choice of cabinet, barring TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #23

Well if that is the case his going to the press to attack President Clinton's nominee Mr Hormel Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #28

That had more to do with the Catholic/gay pride-related controversy surrounding Hormel, IIRC-- TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #29

Look at those libodem Feb 2013 #35

That's how she always looked in those hearings PatSeg Feb 2013 #24

Yes--Bush made an absolute fool of her near the end of his second term, in regard to TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #26

It often looked like she was their token "girl" PatSeg Feb 2013 #30

I don't know if this is the real reason n2doc Feb 2013 #8

This makes me want him as Sec'y of Defense. Bucky Feb 2013 #9

This video is the guy everyone wanted to see at the hearings: TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #10

here's the link to that article CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #11

That article claims he opposed the war at the start, but he supported it and voted for it... Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #17

David Corn's take on Hagel's IWR vote-- TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #19

It says he spoke out against it CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #20

But how does that make him 'one of the few'? He voted with the majority, he voted Yes. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #25

It's not about the confirmation of Rice CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #34

I was in Vietnam when the Cambodian bombing started madokie Feb 2013 #13

madokie, dreampunk Feb 2013 #22

Welcome to DU madokie Feb 2013 #27

Wow - Condi (R) screws her face up into some, mean ugly looks Berlum Feb 2013 #31

As McCain wet started his A-4E dreampunk Feb 2013 #32

That is crazy wild wacked out libodem Feb 2013 #36