Please Be Brave Enough To Respond To This Poll

[patrice]

19. I think your thread title is manipulative crap & I think your poll is too abstract to mean anything.

People can SAY anything, but most of them don't really know what they'll do under whatever circumstances.

What. exactly. are. you. proposing. that. people. should. do.?

Regarding doing things: BF was referring to a specific and DIFFERENT set of circumstances from whatever (????) you're asking us about "purchasing".

But however anyone sees the terms of this message (what is supposed to be done and for what effect upon "liberty'), if you don't walk right out the front door this very minute and go wherever would be a good location to send this behavioral message about whatever "Liberty" is and do whatever it is that you think shows whatever it is that it is supposed to show, for whatever purpose/effect, if you don't do that right this minute, you have made the same kind of deal anyone else has made, just in your own terms, for your own payoff.

(And may I refer you to one example set by certain self immolating Buddhist monks as an example of the type of commitment that would actually mean something other than the pure ideology in your abstractions.)

If you aren't going to go out and manifest in absolute terms your translation of the words of BF in your actions right this very minute, you ARE claiming a right to your terms for that deal, and, unless you have fascistic tendencies, SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE have a right to their own terms for the same deal.

Terms of deals:
- Guns? I know what those are and a few things going on with them.
- Drones? I know what those are and somewhat fewer things going on with them.
- give up? WHAT? What are you specifically referring to? Concrete examples please.
- essential? What are the criteria here? Who defined them for me? What degrees of non-essential are there before something becomes what YOU say is essential? . . . and, honey, that's just for starters on the whole notion of what might and might not be "essential".
- Liberty? perhaps you'll pardon me if I don't assume that just anyone has ANY kind of a right to define that word for me, especially in an oppressed culture like our own in which people have not recognized the oppressor in THEMSELVES and, yet, claim some ABSURD right to free me. Pardon, the fuck, me, I'll free myself, thank you very much and I resent this pressure to characterize anyone who wants to do that as a coward. That characterization REEEEKS of fascistic oppression.
- little? By whose measure? Whose life is this anyway? What about my own personal measures that grows out of my own experience? Are our experiences ir-relevant?
- temporary? In case you haven't noticed, IT'S ALL TEMPORARY. To pretend otherwise, or to pretend permanence is possible is a lie. We can create degrees of stability out of our own empirically grounded individual personal lives and experiences, anything else is of the oppressor.
- Safety? We may be able to come to some terms on that in as much as safety has a lot to do with more collective traits, but those terms will be the result of asking one another what PRECISELY is required to be safe and being honest about the costs of those requirements and not pretending that there are no risks. Recognize the risks and either accept or reject them AND ALLOW OTHERS TO HAVE THE SAME CHOICES.
- deserve??? That's the fucking bomb right there. Who the hell is anyone to say that about anyone else when none of the terms (as observed above) of what makes one, hack, cough, choke, "worthy" to others are even on the table and, even if they were on the table, if I refuse those terms and accept the consequences for doing so, WHY DON'T I HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT IN YOUR UNIVERSE??? Answer to that question: because your universe has fascistic tendencies and REFUSES TO ADMIT IT.

I think there are a lot of people who need to ask themselves if this Better dead than ________________________ ideological warp isn't tyranny itself.