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spooky3

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99. I wish Sirota had not chosen to make a sexist comparison between Warren and Clinton.

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:26 AM

Feb 2013

There are plenty of Democratic Senators who are male. Can't Sirota find one (other than an African American) who "sat down and shut up", to use as his example? Why would he have assumed that Warren would follow any other woman's method of operation rather than a man's method, given that there are plenty more of them to choose from?

He's also ignoring another angle, which is that women and minorities who are the pioneers are often put in an impossible position of not being too threatening--and having to shut up even more than their white male counterparts in order to succeed. Warren is fortunate not to be the first at what she is doing. All credit to her and I hope she continues what she has started. But I'm not going to put down others who faced even more challenges.

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Sirota: Warren not interested in �Hillary Clinton model� of sitting down and shutting up \ [View all] kpete Feb 2013 OP

Why be a Senator at all, then? TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #1

As a stepping stone on the road to the presidency nt freedom fighter jh Feb 2013 #42

What's the reason for dissing Hillary? brush Feb 2013 #118

it's actually been a long tradition across the political spectrum to be quiet for the first year. unblock Feb 2013 #2

Al Franken has maintained a very low Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #10

the standard is a low profile in the senate, not in the media. unblock Feb 2013 #49

Well he is smarter than most of them... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #50

i'm certainly not complaining either ;) unblock Feb 2013 #51

...and so far Senator Warren HAS followed that lead... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #21

I'm not sure she's refused all interviews but she's certainly not grandstanding. winter is coming Feb 2013 #46

This is my beef with those who say Hillary was a great senator - she NEVER DID ANYTHING blm Feb 2013 #3

This would be a good OP on its own in GD....n/t monmouth3 Feb 2013 #5

anyone who went vs bush in those days lost their careers. Sunlei Feb 2013 #6

No they didn't actually. Too bad a career is more important than lives. sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #9

The republicans demonised Mrs. Clinton so much, thats why Obama rose to the top in primary. Sunlei Feb 2013 #12

Actually, the agreement to leave Iraq was made before Obama became President progressoid Feb 2013 #104

yes, and so was the giant economic crash and the bank 'bailout' all started known by bush. Sunlei Feb 2013 #113

I'd bet that had a LOT to do with Hillary's loss to Obama. calimary Feb 2013 #14

The most reasonable thing to conclude is, she knew n2doc Feb 2013 #19

She wasn't snowed - she knew what Bill knew and he had access to classified docs that NO other blm Feb 2013 #24

When the Democratic Primary was down to two, I agonized over the two options. bvar22 Feb 2013 #36

clinton and obama were always at the bottom of my list.. frylock Feb 2013 #58

Obama has said he didn't know how he would have voted on IWR Skip Intro Feb 2013 #54

i think we all have a pretty good idea now frylock Feb 2013 #59

riiiiight (in his own words -->) AtomicKitten Feb 2013 #74

Yes, it is factual. He did say he didn't know how he would have voted on the IWR. Here: Skip Intro Feb 2013 #83

Nice try. AtomicKitten Feb 2013 #84

Wow. I mentioned he said something, and proved he said it. I'm not doing anything here Skip Intro Feb 2013 #85

I don't believe for one second that she tblue37 Feb 2013 #125

I think that her basic instincts are really quite hawkish. amandabeech Feb 2013 #127

Ask the former senator from Missiour and the former Senator from Georgia joeybee12 Feb 2013 #43

How about I just remember the facts as they unfolded rather than contribute sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #89

ridiculous. Pat Leahy? Bernie? Ted? cali Feb 2013 #15

DK until he was gerrymandered out of a job frylock Feb 2013 #61

dying for a good cause is called integrity. silence in agreement. roguevalley Feb 2013 #94

I second that. n/t zentrum Feb 2013 #7

Actually she did. She actively sold out her constituents to the cause of globalization, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #92

BS Evergreen Emerald Feb 2013 #112

In other words, you can't find any issue where Hillary led Dem opposition to Bush, either. blm Feb 2013 #114

Bs Evergreen Emerald Feb 2013 #119

Then please proceed. No one else has found it, maybe you'll be the lucky one. blm Feb 2013 #121

A simple search of the internet will give you plenty-- Evergreen Emerald Feb 2013 #122

I've researched plenty and paid close attention to DC since the late 80s. You KNOW you can't blm Feb 2013 #123

K & R. nt antigop Feb 2013 #4

She will be a tremendous asset to our government madokie Feb 2013 #8

"I Feel Hillary's a Bit Too Aligned with Walmart, maybe in their pocket.....cont. wolfie001 Feb 2013 #11

walmart is Americas largest employer in America, we're all in bed with them. Sunlei Feb 2013 #13

Speak for yourself. Cleita Feb 2013 #32

I don't use walmart either, I don't want cheal fall apart crap. Sunlei Feb 2013 #34

WalMart doesn't exist in my mind. They won't get a penny out of me. Gorp Feb 2013 #71

Wish people would have done that 15 years ago before walmart killed all the local small businesses Sunlei Feb 2013 #90

Some did, but clearly not enough tavalon Feb 2013 #107

Well, I may have been boycotting them for longer than 15 years, but certainly at least that. Gorp Feb 2013 #115

Welcome to DU, wolfie001! calimary Feb 2013 #16

Thanks calimary wolfie001 Feb 2013 #20

BS, it is a fact walmart is Americas number1 employer and #1 gun seller in America. Sunlei Feb 2013 #35

Well, you shouldn't be calling Secretary Clinton the "B" word, then. MADem Feb 2013 #38

According to DU's community standards, the "b" word in okay now. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #69

Well, I am not about to test that hypothesis. MADem Feb 2013 #70

Please edit the sexist term in your post. Welcome to DU--I note that you are using a sexist term msanthrope Feb 2013 #75

Your sexist insults are not acceptable BainsBane Feb 2013 #77

No need for the invidious comparison between Clinton and Warren appacom Feb 2013 #17

i dont understand why.... actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #18

it's called comparing and contrasting, don't see any "woman" issue in the OP as written nt msongs Feb 2013 #23

I reread it. Still dont understand... actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #87

because Hillary is a good example for what Sirota is talking about Enrique Feb 2013 #78

In or out of the Senate Hillary was not one to sit down and shut up. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #22

Then please recall for us the many important issues she led opposition to Bush in senate. blm Feb 2013 #26

I am not interested in your game. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #27

Not a game. If she led on any issue while in the senate, then share it with us. blm Feb 2013 #29

How about outsourcing of jobs and increasing h1-b visas--selling out US workers? antigop Feb 2013 #47

Hillary lead the charge against Violence in Video Games! bvar22 Feb 2013 #37

Introducing a constitutional amendment to outlaw flag burning? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #98

Oh, damn, don't remind me of that! tavalon Feb 2013 #108

Sirota is an ignorant asshole--as I suggested downthread. MADem Feb 2013 #30

is this where she calls Bill's 'women friends ''trash''? n/t Whisp Feb 2013 #39

Sure. Why not. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #40

+1 Where are they getting that idea? treestar Feb 2013 #44

Clue to the conventional...Not Many Women Are Demeter Feb 2013 #25

WTF? Because all women have to conduct themselves in the Exact Same Way? MADem Feb 2013 #28

+1 Great Post treestar Feb 2013 #45

He attempts to attribute his thoughts to others without actually doing so. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #57

Yes, exactly--he's an asshole. A stealth sexist! No doubt, no question, and no argument from me! MADem Feb 2013 #60

I am somewhat stunned to see the response this is getting. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #63

It's amazing what you can learn about people from some threads. MADem Feb 2013 #66

I agree with you about David Sirota Cha Feb 2013 #65

+1,000 -- love the pics, too! nt MADem Feb 2013 #67

The anti-Hillary, pro-Warren in 2016 folks will say anything to attack Hillary. This is only the stevenleser Feb 2013 #73

Don't remind the purists the Warren was a Republican while Bill Clinton was in the WH. MADem Feb 2013 #79

Anything. Anything at all. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #91

So who are you going to run who was in the congress and voted "no" stevenleser Feb 2013 #95

Why not ask who I'd run who visited Pluto in a rocket powered by aardvark sweat? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #96

I'm just giving you an opportunity not to post superficially for a change. stevenleser Feb 2013 #100

So you're OK with folks voting for the IWR? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #102

Before Obama, I would have said 2016 tavalon Feb 2013 #109

Well said, I like Elizabeth Warren, and I think she might be a good Pres candidate one day. stevenleser Feb 2013 #117

You're right. It reminds me of sports comparisons which are almost always racist Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #72

+1000 nt ecstatic Feb 2013 #76

Warren 2016 ErikJ Feb 2013 #31

Count me as a leaner. nt patrice Feb 2013 #101

I think it's too early tavalon Feb 2013 #110

The big diff between H.Clinton and E. Warren is that that latter is an... Larkspur Feb 2013 #33

Yeah, because "celebrities" graduate first in their Wellesley class....please. MADem Feb 2013 #41

Congress is full of lawyers from Harvard and Yale. Clinton was 1 among many in that regard Larkspur Feb 2013 #53

You surely are NOT that obtuse. The only reason EW is the senior senator from MY state MADem Feb 2013 #64

She and Petraeus were not so successful in arming Syrians. Whisp Feb 2013 #56

You have google--go on and use it. nt MADem Feb 2013 #62

Celebrity did come to HRC but she is extremely intelligent and capable tavalon Feb 2013 #111

Unfortunately, she didn't shut up when voting for, and backing, Bush's wars. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #48

Or the Obama model of "look ahead and forget about war criminals"? just1voice Feb 2013 #52

Uh.. that's not his model. He can only deliver ecstatic Feb 2013 #80

This alt-media writer Sirota got it all backwards. the comparison is a lie. graham4anything Feb 2013 #55

HRC was the Junior Democratic Senator of my state Babel_17 Feb 2013 #68

Schumer, the Senator from Wall Street? I'm sure that it just tore Clinton up to MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #97

Actually she interrupted Sen. Byrd's anti-war speech in order to lay out the blueprint JTFrog Feb 2013 #116

Kerry was vilified since early 70s and still exposed IranContra, BCCI and S&Ls his first term blm Feb 2013 #120

I remember the pundits lauding Hillary for this Enrique Feb 2013 #81

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #82

Rushbo hates Hillary, Warren, Michelle and Fluke. Sometimes we learn more from enemies. freshwest Feb 2013 #86

I like the Elizabeth Warren model just fine. grantcart Feb 2013 #88

First and foremost. We did not vote for Senator Warren, sheshe2 Feb 2013 #93

I wish Sirota had not chosen to make a sexist comparison between Warren and Clinton. spooky3 Feb 2013 #99

Jeez. I love Hillary and Elizabeth. Actually I love all strong liberal/left women including Tammy, Rowdyboy Feb 2013 #103

She's gotta' keep it up nikto Feb 2013 #105

I didn't realize I knew about that rule tavalon Feb 2013 #106

New Republican senators--Cruz, for example-- tblue37 Feb 2013 #124

Warren is a different animal... BWCC Feb 2013 #126