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Yo_Mama

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18. Because it's elitist, undemocratic, a subsidy to the winners from the losers
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:29 AM
Feb 2013

and would make a fiscal crisis even worse!

The per-person SUBSIDIZED (by the taxpayers) monthly premium cost would be over $570 a month for parts A, B & D (prescription coverage). So for a couple that would be $1,140 a month.

Most people would also want a Medigap, because there is a lot Medicare doesn't cover plus all the copays. That would be around $125-135 monthly additionally, or about $250 a month for a couple. Only the well off can afford to retire and pay $1,400 a month for medical coverage.

Don't we cater enough to the upper middle class in this country? The whole system is really set up for them already. They get massive tax subsidies, especially for saving.

If we wanted to do this why don't we just go single-payer so poor people can also get benefits? They are more likely to NEED to retire early, and they are the ones who are completely out of luck when they're too sick to get hired and too healthy to get disability.

For ONCE - just ONCE - why don't we try returning the Democratic party to its roots, which were concern for the lower-income, not the whining well-off?

Right now Medicare is hugely subsidized by the General Fund. Even if 55-65 year olds joining the program were generally healthier (which might not be the case), it's hard to see how a program funded 45% from the general fund could possibly be made more fiscally sound by more participants:
http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2012.pdf

The difference between Medicare’s total outlays and its “dedicated financing sources” reaches an estimated 45
percent of outlays in fiscal year 2012, the first year of the projection. Based on this result, Federal law requires the Trustees to issue a determination of projected “excess general revenue Medicare funding” in this report. This is the seventh consecutive such finding , and it again triggers a statutory “Medicare funding warning” that Federal general revenues are becoming a substantial share of total financing for Medicare.


Note that that 45% subsidy calculation was predicated on the SGR cut for Medicare providers, which of course did not happen because it never happens. It was about 27%. There will be only about a 2% cut in sequestration, so the 45% subsidy turns into a much higher subsidy.

The Trustees' estimate in 2012 was that the actual actuarial HI (hospital, Part A) insurance deficit was 2.43% of payroll, meaning we would have to increase the Medicare payroll tax from 2.9% to 5.33% to cover expected costs with the recommended level of general fund subsidy.

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Precisely Sherman A1 Feb 2013 #1
excellent idea. robinlynne Feb 2013 #2
Uh, you don't read so good. Warpy Feb 2013 #3
"Seriously no one says it on tv or radio." annabanana Feb 2013 #6
Not to mention, it was floated in 2009 as part of the ACA karynnj Feb 2013 #7
Joe Lieberman is Satan's helper SHRED Feb 2013 #12
True. avaistheone1 Feb 2013 #35
I'm talking about right now BigD_95 Feb 2013 #17
I tried to listen to "morning Joe". timdog44 Feb 2013 #22
Except that it didn't need 60 votes. eomer Feb 2013 #23
There were 2 FINAL bills - the main bill passed with 60 votes by the Senate and a smaller bill that karynnj Feb 2013 #28
The second (final) bill was a reconciliation bill. A public option could have been added to it. eomer Feb 2013 #30
Shhhh! bvar22 Feb 2013 #32
I know there was that push - and there were some Senators, who supported the karynnj Feb 2013 #34
The precedents are for, not against, something this large through reconciliation. eomer Feb 2013 #37
It was the passing of the Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 that led to the Byrd rule karynnj Feb 2013 #38
Not true, the Byrd Rule originated in 1985, was amended in 1990. eomer Feb 2013 #39
Because the "Serious People" don't think that way n2doc Feb 2013 #4
You read my mind. Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #8
Correct. timdog44 Feb 2013 #15
I work around 4 people BigD_95 Feb 2013 #20
My husband retired early marlakay Feb 2013 #29
I am still disappointed Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #36
dems party leadership (hah!) is promoting the republican austerity agenda instead of coming up msongs Feb 2013 #5
Has anyone done the calculations? andym Feb 2013 #9
I may be wrong, but i think I have heard Bernie Sanders bring it up rurallib Feb 2013 #10
How would the premiums be paid? PPL are not receiving SS at age 55. CarmanK Feb 2013 #11
The same way premiums are paid for Medicare now. subterranean Feb 2013 #13
Preventative care is CHEAPER than catastrophic care as well. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #14
Because there are no Dems in power anymore. Just republicans calling themselves Dems Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #16
Are you allowed to say that? AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #21
Because it's elitist, undemocratic, a subsidy to the winners from the losers Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #18
A couple of things your not thinking about BigD_95 Feb 2013 #24
But the reality is that it is a huge taxpayer subsidy to the well-off, still Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #31
That's 10 years of not being able to defer income through my HSA you are talking about RB TexLa Feb 2013 #19
Du rec. Nt xchrom Feb 2013 #25
because most are being paid by the insurance companies still_one Feb 2013 #26
K&R woo me with science Feb 2013 #27
You have to look WAAAAAAY out on the Fringe Left Wing... bvar22 Feb 2013 #33
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