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bluestate10

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130. Not so.

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:54 PM

Jan 2012

Primary responsibility for inappropriate local actions belong to states. If a state is charged with protecting citizen's rights and refuse to, then the FEDs step in. The situation in Alabama and other southern states during the fight for basic civil rights by African Americans is that the states were acting as partners to local governments and groups that were determined to deny civil rights to African Americans. The federal courts stepped in and when their strictures were ignored, federal marshals and troops were sent in.

Despite the mindless passion shown by some in this post, the situation in Oakland is not remotely close to that in Birmingham and other southern cities. African American and Caucasian protesters that were pushing for basic civil rights DID NOT break into property, they did do sitins to protest denial of basic civil rights such as the right to use public toilets, ride anywhere on a public bus or eat at any place that served meals and be treated the same as Caucasians.

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Where is our President on intervening in the FUBAR situation in Oakland? [View all] BeHereNow Jan 2012 OP

I like Obama a lot and will vote for him gopiscrap Jan 2012 #1

This is NOT a left or right matter- BeHereNow Jan 2012 #4

This is a corporatists vs. WeThePeople matter. And there are an amazing number of DU'ers that rhett o rick Jan 2012 #8

It is disgusting. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #12

Then go lay your body down for your cause. cliffordu Jan 2012 #14

Really? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #20

incredibly ugly and revealing, isn't it. inna Jan 2012 #94

She was living there- back home now, but has many friends there. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #110

I've made the trip many times- and I will again if this continues. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #28

CRICKETS... BeHereNow Jan 2012 #75

I'll tell ya when you get back from Oakland. cliffordu Jan 2012 #113

LMFAO.. "require" SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #131

In other words, this is a 1% vs. 99% matter. And we all know which side Obama is on. n/t Raksha Jan 2012 #72

It certainly isnt a D's vs. R's as some would have us believe. That's a distraction. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #85

I agree with you BHN but the sad reality is gopiscrap Jan 2012 #25

Copied and Pasted from Tabatha- PREGNANT woman struck in the stomach with baton????? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #2

Its a State matter first. elleng Jan 2012 #3

Good question- I'd like to know. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #7

Surely, if the State asks for Federal assistance, it will get it. elleng Jan 2012 #13

Federal assistance for what? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #90

Was responding to #7, elleng Jan 2012 #92

Not sure there is anything to get under control hack89 Jan 2012 #104

If the federal government can trump the states in marajuana sales rhett o rick Jan 2012 #11

No government in the history of the world has come out on the side of protesters. joshcryer Jan 2012 #21

Well, our Gov't came out to protect labor by threatening the use of Federal troops Dragonfli Jan 2012 #27

Semla was judicially backed. joshcryer Jan 2012 #33

The Government came out on the side of the protesters did it not? Dragonfli Jan 2012 #41

No, the courts did. joshcryer Jan 2012 #44

This government came out under LBJ to protect African Americans during the Civil Rights era. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #54

One can hope. joshcryer Jan 2012 #57

Jerry Brown was the mayor of Oakland before he became governor XemaSab Jan 2012 #40

Yes, and what the heck he's doing, or NOT doing, about it. elleng Jan 2012 #49

Under the law added by Bush II in 2007 with no known opposition from Obama, a state is not required AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #97

More tweets from Rowley tabatha Jan 2012 #5

He's only the Chief Civil Rights Enforcer Your beef is with the Republicans, lol. K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #6

Are you serious? "LOL??????" BeHereNow Jan 2012 #9

Lol! T S Justly Jan 2012 #16

Seriously- WHAT are you laughing about? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #29

Oh, I suppose it's the adulation O will continue to enjoy around here by some, despite the glaring T S Justly Jan 2012 #46

While the President deplores this treatment of American citizens Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #10

Well somebody needs to declare a "State of Emergency" BeHereNow Jan 2012 #15

Looks like the governor is on board, mayor definitley is, they have other counties on board. joshcryer Jan 2012 #19

"Truck people away" for WHAT? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #30

Good question. They'd taken the YMCA, I hope it's not criminal trespass. joshcryer Jan 2012 #35

My understanding is that they didn't "take" the Y XemaSab Jan 2012 #45

That's fair enough, though I don't see the cops seeing it that way. joshcryer Jan 2012 #48

The word on the street is that four busloads of people SO FAR XemaSab Jan 2012 #53

I saw five pull up when I signed off and two others had come and gone. joshcryer Jan 2012 #56

They didn't take the YMCA. They used it as a means of escape from the kettling by the police. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #87

Soylent green of course Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #112

There is no state of emergency hack89 Jan 2012 #91

Right 100% elleng Jan 2012 #17

Bullshit. So let the innocent get hammered until injuries and deaths result? (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #22

Yes the example set at Selma was a bad call by Johnson... Dragonfli Jan 2012 #31

You leave out the fact that Williams v. Wallace was a judicial court decision to allow the march. joshcryer Jan 2012 #36

You leave out the part that allows us to assemble and make our grievances known Dragonfli Jan 2012 #47

They had to get special permission, though. The government didn't "act" until they got it. joshcryer Jan 2012 #51

That is contrary to the law added by Bush II in 2007 with no known opposition from Obama. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #98

Where is 'Moonbeam' Brown at? Zalatix Jan 2012 #18

Campaigning. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #65

I suppose the next thing you will call him is "Medfly" Raine Jan 2012 #67

Naw, I voted for him. I voted for the 'Moonbeam' the Repugs hated so much. Zalatix Jan 2012 #86

Because it is not appropriate for Obama to interfere in State and Local Police matters. Lil Missy Jan 2012 #23

see post 31 and denounce Johnson's actions if you think they were wrong! Dragonfli Jan 2012 #32

That is contrary to the statute added in 2007 by Bush II with no known opposition from Obama. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #100

Californians need to contact Gov Brown and get the State Police to intervene and disband Oakland PD tabatha Jan 2012 #24

What I want to know is... BeHereNow Jan 2012 #26

Lol. Now, that's funny! (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #34

Why is that funny to you? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #38

Remember JFK in 1963. Anyone who says that a President cannot take action against state AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #37

Wow thanks for your contribution to this thread. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #39

By posting your question, you contributed more than I did. Peace. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #42

Namaste, my friend. n/t BeHereNow Jan 2012 #43

That's ProSense Jan 2012 #50

I think most, like myself simply assume his complicity, they are his state troopers Dragonfli Jan 2012 #55

Right ProSense Jan 2012 #83

The president should send in troops anytime no other authority will protect citizens from assault Dragonfli Jan 2012 #111

It's insulting to actual civil rights issues... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #123

Thank you very much for the information. Raksha Jan 2012 #73

Not the same AT ALL- Alabama was violating a Federal court order Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #114

The law already authorizes Obama to protect citizens from the Oakland police without a court order. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #119

Citing DU threads is not exactly the ultimate authority Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #121

The full text of Public Law 109-364 is the law. It is the authority referred to in the DU post. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #122

Public Law 109-364? The John Warner Act? Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #124

I'm sorry that you've "never seen any reference to [P.L. 109-364] authorizing anything." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #125

Apology accepted Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #132

This would be more appropriately handled by Governor Brown. Cleita Jan 2012 #52

Many said the same thing about George Wallace, they were wrong IMHO Dragonfli Jan 2012 #58

The federal courts ordered Wallace to allow it, he still refused. joshcryer Jan 2012 #59

Under the statute added by Bush II in 2007, a court order is not required. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #101

You summed it up perfectly. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #60

If Brown is in fact looking the other way, then the President should step in, however, Cleita Jan 2012 #61

Brown, like Obama, is busy campaigning. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #63

So maybe Occupy needs to occupy the State Capitol where his offices are or Cleita Jan 2012 #93

When a federal court steps in. geek tragedy Jan 2012 #62

In 1973, without the intervention of a court, the Federal government sent Federal Marshals AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #64

Yeah ProSense Jan 2012 #84

Was there a federal court ruling to shut down marijuana clinics in states where it is legal? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #88

Jurisdiction was established in 2007 when Bush II signed a particular statute. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #102

If it is true that Obama cannot act until a court order is obtained, what's preventing Holder from AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #66

Obama! T S Justly Jan 2012 #68

And Johnny Cash sang... BeHereNow Jan 2012 #69

Don't give a shit what you think of me. Who you like in 2012? (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #70

"Who you like in 2012?" Is that a trick question? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #71

Sorry got sideways with you, thinking prematurely. Namaste. (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #74

Huh? Care to clarify the meaning of your post? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #76

Then, we're back to the question you avoided. Who will you support in 2012 ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #77

Back at ya- WHO will YOU support? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #78

The first progressive who comes along and takes the nomination and the leadership of the Party ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #79

Well of course I would support such a person- got one up your sleeve by chance? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #80

And if this mythical figure should fail to materialize- then what? BeHereNow Jan 2012 #81

Obama appears to be more supportive of the financial industry than of OWS. Quantess Jan 2012 #82

With Jerry Brown perhaps? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #89

Looks like Occupy Oakland may have been infiltrated by assholes. gulliver Jan 2012 #95

Yep. How many are on the Oakland Police payroll? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #103

The probability of that is vanishingly small, imo. gulliver Jan 2012 #106

Boy, are you behind times Remember Me Jan 2012 #128

Seeing the picture posted on another thread, I agree. gulliver Jan 2012 #129

As a veteran of the anti war movement, there are others who pay these idiots Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #116

Please learn about the separation of powers treestar Jan 2012 #96

your condescension is misplaced and uncalled for inna Jan 2012 #108

It is placed and called for treestar Jan 2012 #126

Not so. bluestate10 Jan 2012 #130

Silence. Rex Jan 2012 #99

What action do you think the President should take? MineralMan Jan 2012 #105

denounce police brutality, duh inna Jan 2012 #107

Exactly- I don't think the president should remain silent on the brutality of police in ANY BeHereNow Jan 2012 #109

And if he came out and said OWS groups should stop trying to take over buildings... randome Jan 2012 #115

It would be OK for him to say that governmental agent provocateurs should not take over buildings. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #120

"agent provocateurs" didn't vote for that, Occupy Oakland did, overwhelmingly. joshcryer Jan 2012 #127

I think it's a very reasonable thing to ask of the President Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #117

only if it's half a world away n/t dana_b Jan 2012 #118