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tavalon

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109. Before Obama, I would have said 2016

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:10 AM

Feb 2013

is too early to be talking about Warren for President. The day I saw Obama give his speech nominating Bill Clinton, I told my husband, that man will be President one day, not realizing it would be so soon.

I think it's almost a foregone conclusion that a woman, hopefully a Democrat, will be elected in 2016. If HRC runs (she says now she isn't. I'm hoping some rest will change her mind) in 2016, she will be the Democratic nominee and I think she's won enough respect through the years that she will win. I wouldn't want another strong female candidate running in the primaries with her. Sure Senator Warren has a chance in the future, but I think it will be HRC who shatters that glass ceiling, at least I hope it is.

I know that HRC is nowhere near as liberal as I like but then few ever are. She's highly competent and very intelligent, something that is imperative and yet, occasionally not followed, in the President's office. I wish they had a sign that said, "Actors and idiot sons need not apply", just outside the Oval Office.

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Sirota: Warren not interested in �Hillary Clinton model� of sitting down and shutting up \ [View all] kpete Feb 2013 OP

Why be a Senator at all, then? TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #1

As a stepping stone on the road to the presidency nt freedom fighter jh Feb 2013 #42

What's the reason for dissing Hillary? brush Feb 2013 #118

it's actually been a long tradition across the political spectrum to be quiet for the first year. unblock Feb 2013 #2

Al Franken has maintained a very low Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #10

the standard is a low profile in the senate, not in the media. unblock Feb 2013 #49

Well he is smarter than most of them... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #50

i'm certainly not complaining either ;) unblock Feb 2013 #51

...and so far Senator Warren HAS followed that lead... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #21

I'm not sure she's refused all interviews but she's certainly not grandstanding. winter is coming Feb 2013 #46

This is my beef with those who say Hillary was a great senator - she NEVER DID ANYTHING blm Feb 2013 #3

This would be a good OP on its own in GD....n/t monmouth3 Feb 2013 #5

anyone who went vs bush in those days lost their careers. Sunlei Feb 2013 #6

No they didn't actually. Too bad a career is more important than lives. sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #9

The republicans demonised Mrs. Clinton so much, thats why Obama rose to the top in primary. Sunlei Feb 2013 #12

Actually, the agreement to leave Iraq was made before Obama became President progressoid Feb 2013 #104

yes, and so was the giant economic crash and the bank 'bailout' all started known by bush. Sunlei Feb 2013 #113

I'd bet that had a LOT to do with Hillary's loss to Obama. calimary Feb 2013 #14

The most reasonable thing to conclude is, she knew n2doc Feb 2013 #19

She wasn't snowed - she knew what Bill knew and he had access to classified docs that NO other blm Feb 2013 #24

When the Democratic Primary was down to two, I agonized over the two options. bvar22 Feb 2013 #36

clinton and obama were always at the bottom of my list.. frylock Feb 2013 #58

Obama has said he didn't know how he would have voted on IWR Skip Intro Feb 2013 #54

i think we all have a pretty good idea now frylock Feb 2013 #59

riiiiight (in his own words -->) AtomicKitten Feb 2013 #74

Yes, it is factual. He did say he didn't know how he would have voted on the IWR. Here: Skip Intro Feb 2013 #83

Nice try. AtomicKitten Feb 2013 #84

Wow. I mentioned he said something, and proved he said it. I'm not doing anything here Skip Intro Feb 2013 #85

I don't believe for one second that she tblue37 Feb 2013 #125

I think that her basic instincts are really quite hawkish. amandabeech Feb 2013 #127

Ask the former senator from Missiour and the former Senator from Georgia joeybee12 Feb 2013 #43

How about I just remember the facts as they unfolded rather than contribute sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #89

ridiculous. Pat Leahy? Bernie? Ted? cali Feb 2013 #15

DK until he was gerrymandered out of a job frylock Feb 2013 #61

dying for a good cause is called integrity. silence in agreement. roguevalley Feb 2013 #94

I second that. n/t zentrum Feb 2013 #7

Actually she did. She actively sold out her constituents to the cause of globalization, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #92

BS Evergreen Emerald Feb 2013 #112

In other words, you can't find any issue where Hillary led Dem opposition to Bush, either. blm Feb 2013 #114

Bs Evergreen Emerald Feb 2013 #119

Then please proceed. No one else has found it, maybe you'll be the lucky one. blm Feb 2013 #121

A simple search of the internet will give you plenty-- Evergreen Emerald Feb 2013 #122

I've researched plenty and paid close attention to DC since the late 80s. You KNOW you can't blm Feb 2013 #123

K & R. nt antigop Feb 2013 #4

She will be a tremendous asset to our government madokie Feb 2013 #8

"I Feel Hillary's a Bit Too Aligned with Walmart, maybe in their pocket.....cont. wolfie001 Feb 2013 #11

walmart is Americas largest employer in America, we're all in bed with them. Sunlei Feb 2013 #13

Speak for yourself. Cleita Feb 2013 #32

I don't use walmart either, I don't want cheal fall apart crap. Sunlei Feb 2013 #34

WalMart doesn't exist in my mind. They won't get a penny out of me. Gorp Feb 2013 #71

Wish people would have done that 15 years ago before walmart killed all the local small businesses Sunlei Feb 2013 #90

Some did, but clearly not enough tavalon Feb 2013 #107

Well, I may have been boycotting them for longer than 15 years, but certainly at least that. Gorp Feb 2013 #115

Welcome to DU, wolfie001! calimary Feb 2013 #16

Thanks calimary wolfie001 Feb 2013 #20

BS, it is a fact walmart is Americas number1 employer and #1 gun seller in America. Sunlei Feb 2013 #35

Well, you shouldn't be calling Secretary Clinton the "B" word, then. MADem Feb 2013 #38

According to DU's community standards, the "b" word in okay now. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #69

Well, I am not about to test that hypothesis. MADem Feb 2013 #70

Please edit the sexist term in your post. Welcome to DU--I note that you are using a sexist term msanthrope Feb 2013 #75

Your sexist insults are not acceptable BainsBane Feb 2013 #77

No need for the invidious comparison between Clinton and Warren appacom Feb 2013 #17

i dont understand why.... actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #18

it's called comparing and contrasting, don't see any "woman" issue in the OP as written nt msongs Feb 2013 #23

I reread it. Still dont understand... actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #87

because Hillary is a good example for what Sirota is talking about Enrique Feb 2013 #78

In or out of the Senate Hillary was not one to sit down and shut up. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #22

Then please recall for us the many important issues she led opposition to Bush in senate. blm Feb 2013 #26

I am not interested in your game. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #27

Not a game. If she led on any issue while in the senate, then share it with us. blm Feb 2013 #29

How about outsourcing of jobs and increasing h1-b visas--selling out US workers? antigop Feb 2013 #47

Hillary lead the charge against Violence in Video Games! bvar22 Feb 2013 #37

Introducing a constitutional amendment to outlaw flag burning? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #98

Oh, damn, don't remind me of that! tavalon Feb 2013 #108

Sirota is an ignorant asshole--as I suggested downthread. MADem Feb 2013 #30

is this where she calls Bill's 'women friends ''trash''? n/t Whisp Feb 2013 #39

Sure. Why not. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #40

+1 Where are they getting that idea? treestar Feb 2013 #44

Clue to the conventional...Not Many Women Are Demeter Feb 2013 #25

WTF? Because all women have to conduct themselves in the Exact Same Way? MADem Feb 2013 #28

+1 Great Post treestar Feb 2013 #45

He attempts to attribute his thoughts to others without actually doing so. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #57

Yes, exactly--he's an asshole. A stealth sexist! No doubt, no question, and no argument from me! MADem Feb 2013 #60

I am somewhat stunned to see the response this is getting. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #63

It's amazing what you can learn about people from some threads. MADem Feb 2013 #66

I agree with you about David Sirota Cha Feb 2013 #65

+1,000 -- love the pics, too! nt MADem Feb 2013 #67

The anti-Hillary, pro-Warren in 2016 folks will say anything to attack Hillary. This is only the stevenleser Feb 2013 #73

Don't remind the purists the Warren was a Republican while Bill Clinton was in the WH. MADem Feb 2013 #79

Anything. Anything at all. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #91

So who are you going to run who was in the congress and voted "no" stevenleser Feb 2013 #95

Why not ask who I'd run who visited Pluto in a rocket powered by aardvark sweat? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #96

I'm just giving you an opportunity not to post superficially for a change. stevenleser Feb 2013 #100

So you're OK with folks voting for the IWR? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #102

Before Obama, I would have said 2016 tavalon Feb 2013 #109

Well said, I like Elizabeth Warren, and I think she might be a good Pres candidate one day. stevenleser Feb 2013 #117

You're right. It reminds me of sports comparisons which are almost always racist Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #72

+1000 nt ecstatic Feb 2013 #76

Warren 2016 ErikJ Feb 2013 #31

Count me as a leaner. nt patrice Feb 2013 #101

I think it's too early tavalon Feb 2013 #110

The big diff between H.Clinton and E. Warren is that that latter is an... Larkspur Feb 2013 #33

Yeah, because "celebrities" graduate first in their Wellesley class....please. MADem Feb 2013 #41

Congress is full of lawyers from Harvard and Yale. Clinton was 1 among many in that regard Larkspur Feb 2013 #53

You surely are NOT that obtuse. The only reason EW is the senior senator from MY state MADem Feb 2013 #64

She and Petraeus were not so successful in arming Syrians. Whisp Feb 2013 #56

You have google--go on and use it. nt MADem Feb 2013 #62

Celebrity did come to HRC but she is extremely intelligent and capable tavalon Feb 2013 #111

Unfortunately, she didn't shut up when voting for, and backing, Bush's wars. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #48

Or the Obama model of "look ahead and forget about war criminals"? just1voice Feb 2013 #52

Uh.. that's not his model. He can only deliver ecstatic Feb 2013 #80

This alt-media writer Sirota got it all backwards. the comparison is a lie. graham4anything Feb 2013 #55

HRC was the Junior Democratic Senator of my state Babel_17 Feb 2013 #68

Schumer, the Senator from Wall Street? I'm sure that it just tore Clinton up to MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #97

Actually she interrupted Sen. Byrd's anti-war speech in order to lay out the blueprint JTFrog Feb 2013 #116

Kerry was vilified since early 70s and still exposed IranContra, BCCI and S&Ls his first term blm Feb 2013 #120

I remember the pundits lauding Hillary for this Enrique Feb 2013 #81

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #82

Rushbo hates Hillary, Warren, Michelle and Fluke. Sometimes we learn more from enemies. freshwest Feb 2013 #86

I like the Elizabeth Warren model just fine. grantcart Feb 2013 #88

First and foremost. We did not vote for Senator Warren, sheshe2 Feb 2013 #93

I wish Sirota had not chosen to make a sexist comparison between Warren and Clinton. spooky3 Feb 2013 #99

Jeez. I love Hillary and Elizabeth. Actually I love all strong liberal/left women including Tammy, Rowdyboy Feb 2013 #103

She's gotta' keep it up nikto Feb 2013 #105

I didn't realize I knew about that rule tavalon Feb 2013 #106

New Republican senators--Cruz, for example-- tblue37 Feb 2013 #124

Warren is a different animal... BWCC Feb 2013 #126