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cali

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36. That's about as selective as you could get.
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:30 AM
Feb 2013

but, I'll play. And my excerpts are a lot more honest than yours. Your habit of selective quoting is pretty dishonest, dear. You should be embarrassed to try and foist this off as a sense of the speech. You are intentionally attempting to change the meaning of his speech. I find that contemptible. Please note that I have far, far, far more to choose from. And no, he did not buy into the WMD, as your attempt at being clever seeks to prove.

Today we are considering a resolution offered by Senator Lieberman to authorize the use of force. Article I of the Constitution gives the Congress the sole power to declare war. Yet instead of exercising this responsibility and voting up or down on a declaration of war, we have chosen to delegate this authority to the Executive Branch.

This resolution, like others before it, does not declare anything. It tells the President "you decide." This resolution, when you get through the pages of whereas clauses, is nothing more than a blank check. The President can decide when to use military force, how to use it, and for how long.

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Diplomacy is often tedious. It does not usually make the headlines or the evening news, and much has been made of past diplomatic failures. But history has shown over and over that diplomatic pressure can not only protect our national interests, it can also enhance the effectiveness of military force when force becomes necessary.

More importantly, the resolution now before the Senate goes well beyond what the President said on Monday about working through the United Nations. It would permit the Administration to take precipitous, unilateral action without following through at the UN.

Many respected and knowledgeable people - former senior military officers and diplomats among them - have expressed strong reservations about this resolution. They agree that if there were credible evidence that Saddam Hussein were planning to use weapons of mass destruction against the United States or one of our allies, the American people and the Congress would overwhelmingly support the use of American military power to stop him. But they have not seen that evidence, and neither have I.

We have heard a lot of bellicose rhetoric, but what are the facts? I am not asking for 100 percent proof. But the Administration is asking Congress to make a decision to go to war based on conflicting statements, angry assertions, and assumptions based on speculation.


The Administration has also been vague, evasive and contradictory about its plans. Speaking here in Washington, the President and his advisors continue to say this issue is about disarming Saddam Hussein; that he has made no decision to use force. But the President paints a different picture when he is on the campaign trail, where he often talks about regime change. The Vice President said on national television that "The President's made it clear that the goal of the United States is regime change. He said that on many occasions."

Proponents of this resolution argue that it does put diplomacy first. They point to section 3, which requires the President to determine that further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone will not adequately protect the national security, before he resorts to military force. They say that this ensures that we will act only in a deliberative way, in concert with our allies.
But they fail to point out that the resolution permits the President to use unilateral military force if he determines that reliance on diplomacy alone "is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq . . .."
Unfortunately, we have learned that the phrase "not likely" can be used to justify just about anything. So let us not pretend we are doing something we are not. This resolution permits the President to take whatever military action he wants, whenever he wants, for as long as he wants. It is a blank check.

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But if we have learned anything from history, it is that wars are unpredictable. They can trigger consequences that none of us would intend or expect. Is it fair to the American people, who have become accustomed to wars waged from 30,000 feet lasting a few weeks with few casualties, that we not discuss what else could happen? We could be involved in urban warfare where large numbers of our troops are killed.

And what of the critical issue of rebuilding a post-Saddam Iraq, about which the Administration has said virtually nothing? As I have said over and over again, it is one thing to topple a regime, but it is equally important, and sometimes far more difficult, to rebuild a country to prevent it from becoming engulfed by factional fighting.

If these nations cannot successfully rebuild, then they will once again become havens for terrorists. To ensure that does not happen, does the Administration foresee basing thousands of U.S. troops in Iraq after the war, and if so, for how many years and for how many billions of dollars? Are the American people prepared to spend what it will take to rebuild Iraq even when the Administration is failing to budget what is needed to rebuild Afghanistan? Or to budget what is needed here at home for homeland defense, drought aid for farmers, and other domestic priorities, for that matter.

And who will replace Saddam Hussein? The leading coalition of opposition groups, the Iraqi National Congress, is divided, has questionable support among the Iraqi people, and has made little headway in overthrowing Saddam. While Iraq has a strong civil society, in the chaos of a post-Saddam Iraq another dictator could rise to the top or the country could splinter along ethnic or religious lines.

These are the questions the American people are asking and these are the issues we should be debating. They are difficult issues of war and peace, but the Administration, and the proponents of this resolution, would rather leave them for another day. They say: Vote! And let the President decide. Don't give the UN time to do its job. Don't worry that the resolution is a blank check.


Mr. President, I can count votes, and I can see that the Senate will pass this resolution and give the President the authority to send U.S. troops to Iraq, if he chooses. But before he takes that step, I hope he will consider the questions that have been asked here. I hope he will consider the concerns raised by former Generals, senior diplomats, and intelligence officers in testimony before Congress. Above all, I hope that he will listen to the American people who are urging him to proceed cautiously, and to not act alone.

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But that time has not come, and based on what I know today, I believe that in order to solve this problem without potentially creating more terrorists, and more enemies, we must act deliberately, not precipitously. The way the United States responds to the threat posed by Iraq will have consequences for our country and the world for years to come.

Authorizing a United States attack to overthrow another government, while negotiations at the United Nations are ongoing, and before exhausting other options, could damage our standing in the world as a country that recognizes the importance of international solutions to global problems and that respects international law. It would be, I am afraid, what the world has come to expect of a super power that seems increasingly disdainful of world opinion, or cooperation and collective diplomacy.


What a dramatic shift from just one year ago, when the world was united in its expressions of sympathy toward the United States and would have welcomed the opportunity to work with us on a wide agenda of common problems.
I remember the Star-Spangled Banner being played and sung by crowds of people outside Buckingham Palace. The leading French newspaper, Le Monde, declared "We are all Americans." And, China's President Jiang Zemin was one of the first world leaders to call Washington and express his sympathies.


If September 11th taught us anything, it is that protecting our security involves much more than military might. It involves cooperation with other nations to break up terrorist rings, dry up the sources of funding, and address the conditions of ignorance and despair that create breeding grounds for terrorists. We are far more likely to achieve these goals by working with the rest of the world, than by going it alone.

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Let us proceed deliberately, moving as close to our goal as we can by working with our allies and the United Nations, rather than writing a blank check today that is premature for us to write, and which would continue the trend of abdicating our constitutional authority and responsibility.

Mr. President, that trend started many years ago, and I have gone back and read some of the speeches Senators made. For example, and I quote:

"The resolution now pending is an expression of American unity in this time of crisis."
"It is a vote of confidence . . . but is not a blank check for policies that might in the future be carried on by the executive branch of the Government . . . without full consultation by the Congress."

Those quotes were not about Iraq. They were spoken thirty-eight years ago, when I was still a prosecutor in Vermont. At the end of that debate, the Senate passed the Tonkin Gulf resolution by a vote of 88 to 2.
That resolution was used by both the Johnson and Nixon Administrations as carte blanche to wage war in Vietnam, ultimately involving more than half a million American troops, and resulting in the deaths of more than 58,000 Americans.
This is not to say that the Administration is trying to mislead the Congress about the situation in Iraq. Nor am I comparing a possible war in Iraq to the Vietnam War. They are very different countries with different histories and different military capabilities.

But the key words in the resolution we are considering today are remarkably similar to that infamous resolution of 38 years ago, which so many Senators came to regret.

Let us not make that mistake again.

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It's not very tough to run. It's tough to win. I hope she, at the very least, makes a run. w4rma Feb 2013 #1
You're right. It's tough to compete as a serious candidate. cali Feb 2013 #2
Who will do her job while she spends 3 years running? graham4anything Feb 2013 #6
the remark about Gore is a load of crap dsc Feb 2013 #66
See that, one learns something new in a second, never knew she was a Republican. graham4anything Feb 2013 #3
I don't hold her voting for Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush against her. Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #4
I'm one of those that is incredulous that any compassionate, sane person cali Feb 2013 #7
Yes! Then after 8 years of that nightmare voted for senior. n/t retread Feb 2013 #21
Well, Reagan did get more than 40 million votes in the 1980 election. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #39
Good analysis. Her time will come. 2016 just isn't it. nt EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #5
Personally speaking, I feel all this talk of Warren is premature... FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #8
IWR? UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #9
Iraqi War Resolution. Or as my Senator referred to it, a blank check cali Feb 2013 #10
OK. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #13
Why Elizabeth instead of Hilary? jerseyjack Feb 2013 #11
well, Warren wasn't in office at the time and as far as I know there are cali Feb 2013 #14
One of them can win against Chris Christie and the other will... Walk away Feb 2013 #27
Hillary was also very hawkish towards Iran as well... cascadiance Feb 2013 #50
I think supporting Hagel in spite of his war vote makes snarking at Hillary for the same thing Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #12
I don't. He's not running for President. He's appointed, not elected. cali Feb 2013 #15
Not Voting For Anyone Who Voted For Ware Against Iraq JGug1 Feb 2013 #16
We sure as fuck did know. Go read Leahy's pre-vote speech cali Feb 2013 #18
Here is Leahy's speech ProSense Feb 2013 #25
That's about as selective as you could get. cali Feb 2013 #36
It really doesn't ProSense Feb 2013 #41
Yeah! When Saddam Hussein attacked the World Trade Center George Bush put retread Feb 2013 #22
She doesn't have the backing of the party powers n2doc Feb 2013 #17
**this** +10,000 zazen Feb 2013 #23
What it will take, is money and time n2doc Feb 2013 #24
True. Lost in all the left-leaning celebration about the end of the Republican Party is ... Ian_rd Feb 2013 #19
People should be concentrating on 2014. treestar Feb 2013 #20
^^^ THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS ^^^ WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #28
I could care less about 2016 right now. Jennicut Feb 2013 #31
Exactly! treestar Feb 2013 #35
2014 gubernatorial/statehouses/senate/house are the MOST important elections in a LONG time SoCalDem Feb 2013 #40
Red presidential states have red governors treestar Feb 2013 #54
and it's serious;ly about those states' statehouses too.. a one vote majority SoCalDem Feb 2013 #56
Nailed It!!!!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2013 #52
Hi TD! treestar Feb 2013 #55
Hey tree! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2013 #64
She's older and doesn't have his charisma. Arkana Feb 2013 #26
Let's see how she does. I'm worried she'll turn out to be a Dean Recursion Feb 2013 #29
As I said before I agree I don't think Warren will run davidpdx Feb 2013 #30
It's a tough prospect for one reason only. woo me with science Feb 2013 #32
I would rather see Sen. Warren be Treasury Secretary in Hillary's cabinet. PADemD Feb 2013 #33
WOW. That sounds like music to my ears! CTyankee Feb 2013 #44
After 8yrs of Bush's policies destroying the country's economy ANY Dem nominee was winning 2008 blm Feb 2013 #34
It's because Warren would be *opposed* by Wall Street... Romulox Feb 2013 #37
but wouldn't that be true of most liberal candidates anyway? N/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #45
Yes. That's the point of contrast I was attempting to make. nt Romulox Feb 2013 #46
If she runs she has my vote in the primary. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #38
Call me selfish, but I'd like to keep her as my senator for as long as possible. graywarrior Feb 2013 #42
I don't want to be a stick in the mud, but can't we see how this thing is going to play out, just CTyankee Feb 2013 #43
God love her, she's not a good candidate maxsolomon Feb 2013 #47
Abraham Lincoln served only one 2 year term in the House. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #48
No. He served 4 terms in the State Legislature cali Feb 2013 #53
Hopefully, her "inexperience" has kept her from learning to triangulate. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #57
I doubt it. Didn't she say during her campaign that cali Feb 2013 #59
Thanks for the info. My already nebulous support for her dropped a couple notches. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #60
I would like to see her as Senate Majority leader at least. /nt Ash_F Feb 2013 #49
people were already talking about obama being president someday before he was even a senator unblock Feb 2013 #51
Obama's lack of history in the Senate was a plus. No embarrassing votes. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #58
She's not a great Senator yet. I hope she will be, but no one who has cali Feb 2013 #61
Yes, she is and can. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #62
uh, what??? "Everyone's starting grade is an A" cali Feb 2013 #63
I love Elizabeth Warren... but Barack Obama was/is a POWERHOUSE of charisma. phleshdef Feb 2013 #65
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