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163. What are you going on about with "placeholders"? (PS - it's NOT a crime)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:03 PM

Feb 2013

It's not like there's some rule in NYS that says "you have to have some charges RIGHT AWAY or they get to walk!" - if the DA wanted to throw around some heavy-duty felony sex charges, there would be some press release to the effect of "we are currently investigating and will take action as we determine is warranted" or something. It's not like they're charging her with a custodial offense in order to hold her while they work on more charges - it's a misdemeanor, theoretically there's a year in jail since it's an A, but it's highly unlikely. I'm not quite as up on my NYS sex crimes, my jailhouse law tends more towards simple possession and public drunkenness, but the reports are saying "nearly nude" not "naked" and I do know the club laws prohibit nudity where alcohol is served which probably applies to for-hire dancers since homes aren't policed to be alcohol-free.

Anyway, assuming this dancer was wearing panties and pasties it is not a sex crime in New York. They're pretty clearly defined, the least severe one I can find is Criminal Sexual Act in the Third Degree which still requires "oral sexual conduct or anal sexual conduct" which didn't happen here; Disseminating Indecent Material to Minors is a computer crime.

Maybe you can take up the cause to get a "Bobby Viger's Law" passed in NY; exposing a teen boy to a nearly-naked woman is a Class A sex offense!

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Atman Feb 2013 OP

Link? nt Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #1

Not familiar with the details here, but if the genders were reversed, closeupready Feb 2013 #2

A nude anything alone shouldn't be considered endangering treestar Feb 2013 #3

None in the US should be exposed to Sex or Nudity until over THIRTY (at least)!!! RKP5637 Feb 2013 #57

And then only in the context of marriage, or enhanced interrogation, kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #126

Until at least thirty? Dpm12 Feb 2013 #139

Did you see the Sarcasm? RKP5637 Feb 2013 #145

More like especially after 30 Major Nikon Feb 2013 #206

The OP is misleading...this was a lot more than mere nudity. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #76

C'mon, strippers are about a little more than nudity. Marr Feb 2013 #197

Do you know any 16 yr olds that haven't figured out how to get better off the internet for free? Major Nikon Feb 2013 #216

At what age can it be handled? treestar Feb 2013 #312

13% of teens have had sex by age 15. young people have sex for the first time at about age 17, seabeyond Feb 2013 #321

This was not the same as a naturist family's trip to a nude beach. Bucky Feb 2013 #198

strippers, with other peoples children "14, 15 and 16 year old child" seabeyond Feb 2013 #4

I wish I knew the code they were being charged under el_bryanto Feb 2013 #8

my child goes to an adults house and served booze (cause the parent wants to be cool) seabeyond Feb 2013 #10

I'd be surprised if anybody defended the mom's actions - el_bryanto Feb 2013 #16

Serving a kid alcohol would be "endangering" the child. Atman Feb 2013 #21

It depends on what the law actually says. We do have laws around statutory rape in some places el_bryanto Feb 2013 #24

"Is a 14-15 year old prepared emotionally..." Atman Feb 2013 #56

and i was raised in calif, on a swim team and we were in essence naked all the time. seabeyond Feb 2013 #59

"...as much as you want to pretend." Atman Feb 2013 #62

you compare it to teenage years playing on the beach, to drawing nudes, to merely seeing boobies... seabeyond Feb 2013 #63

You bore me. Atman Feb 2013 #67

you say all kinds of shit thru out the thread and then pretend you didnt. ya. a bore. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #70

No, I've been very consistent, as have you. Atman Feb 2013 #74

"first one to claim all men are evil pigs". "consistently conflated and twisted my words" seabeyond Feb 2013 #78

Why are you avoiding the very clear statement I have made regarding the CRIME? msanthrope Feb 2013 #83

What does the statute say? or do you have the code? el_bryanto Feb 2013 #106

I'd check out NY Penal sections 230 and 260. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #115

That's is an over the top response. el_bryanto Feb 2013 #103

It's possible she has a certain "style" Atman Feb 2013 #112

so i use your words. you make stuff up. and you call me out. what a fuckin' hoot. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #113

Well that's nonsensical logic right there el_bryanto Feb 2013 #138

What then makes it bad parenting...? LanternWaste Feb 2013 #162

First, this wasn't just nudity as you seem to admit with your next accusation against Sea... DevonRex Feb 2013 #349

Actually, I have the same question Scootaloo Feb 2013 #353

It probably has something to do with the state laws susanr516 Feb 2013 #361

Oh, now bathing suits make one "essentially naked"? Well, it is the QUALIFIER that counts here. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #77

if you saw the speedos of the 70' and 80's, when wet, or hell, even dry, pretty much. seabeyond Feb 2013 #82

I'm actually with Seabeyond on this... Atman Feb 2013 #85

I had to borrow a Speedo to go to the pool in 8th grade and the guy who loaned it to me... Gorp Feb 2013 #301

You would have to look at the law to determine harm or endangerment el_bryanto Feb 2013 #101

It's probably statutory rape on the part of the stripper. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #108

One of the most sane posts yet. Atman Feb 2013 #116

I think it falls under "informed consent" laws R B Garr Feb 2013 #132

18 is the official age for sex? Not in most states. cali Feb 2013 #150

the age of consent is 16 in most states hfojvt Feb 2013 #233

Looks like 17 in NY. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #323

How is it statutory rape if sex wasn't involved? Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #262

Statutory rape is a catch-all as I am using it here. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #319

I meant to say, "I'm not taking sides" ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #324

I saw that and figured as much. LOL Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #326

There was at least one 13 year old at this party. The arrest took place in that context. pnwmom Feb 2013 #351

like not all men want to go to strip bars, not all boys want to have a stripper rub her crotch in seabeyond Feb 2013 #32

I have two sons. I don't care what ALL men want. Atman Feb 2013 #60

Sex crimes against minors do not involve an element of consent, generally, so the issue of 'force' msanthrope Feb 2013 #130

Young people will do a lot of things amongst their peers MadrasT Feb 2013 #236

Reverse genders. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #75

How about a 14 year old? cali Feb 2013 #146

I suspect the child endangerment charges are placeholders. msanthrope Feb 2013 #43

B.I.N.G.O. GaYellowDawg Feb 2013 #183

Didn't they used to call that 'contributing to the delinquincy of a minor'? Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2013 #15

No, lots of other states have that, or "corruption of minors" sir pball Feb 2013 #133

Seems to me more "corruption of minors" sir pball Feb 2013 #125

I heard some pundit guffawing that he could not believe that ANY 16 year old American boy Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #5

The question was, is in "endangerment?" Atman Feb 2013 #7

Wow. Way to fully miss the entire point. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #18

I didn't miss the point. Atman Feb 2013 #25

Being gay is not a 'lifestyle'. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #65

"Lifestyle" Atman Feb 2013 #93

Dressing in drag and being gay are not the same things. It is not the case that outgoing gay Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #154

Thank you for these posts. redqueen Feb 2013 #165

We have no argument here. Atman Feb 2013 #172

Wow. What you are doing is defining your cross dressing friend as having a gay 'lifestyle' while Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #239

Thank you for sticking with this conversation. DevonRex Feb 2013 #345

When words impede communication, why use them? LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #373

There is so much ignorance in this post I don't know where to begin. yardwork Feb 2013 #171

How the hell do you know? Atman Feb 2013 #181

IT'S AN ISSUE WITH ME BECAUSE I AM GAY yardwork Feb 2013 #184

I thought I was on ignore? Atman Feb 2013 #229

So, being gay is a lifestyle to you obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #192

So you're just deliberately ignoring what I posted? Atman Feb 2013 #242

Wow, you just ooze hetero privilege. Yuck. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #170

WTF has happened to you all of a sudden? You are behaving as if you have had some sort of major stevenleser Feb 2013 #368

^^^^^^^^What he said!!!^^^^^^^ Squinch Feb 2013 #377

16 year olds cant see a stripper but they CAN get pregnant and decide wether or no to have an leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #23

It may involve more than the mere sight boobies. aikoaiko Feb 2013 #6

Is that an actual picture from the party? Atman Feb 2013 #9

According to the link, yes, it is from the party aikoaiko Feb 2013 #19

It looks to me like that 16 yo has quite the receding hairline MindPilot Feb 2013 #30

It's the internet...it must be true Atman Feb 2013 #47

It is from the party. They performed lap dances on several minors. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #205

Response from the 16 year old boys out there... WCGreen Feb 2013 #14

The state has an interest in very bad parenting. Brickbat Feb 2013 #11

Would you care if your 14yr old daughter was at a party with male strippers? jmg257 Feb 2013 #12

Of course I would care. Atman Feb 2013 #17

If you don't want your daughter seeing strippers then this OP is bullshit deluxe Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #27

Who invented "18" Atman Feb 2013 #45

Who invented "18?" Atman, I've had criminal clients ask me the same question. msanthrope Feb 2013 #58

Your point being? Atman Feb 2013 #64

Yes. It is the law. It is what matters. People who don't get that simple concept tend to be my msanthrope Feb 2013 #73

"How do you not get that..." Atman Feb 2013 #81

Oh, I read all your posts--including #60, where you note that no minor was 'forced'--as if that's an msanthrope Feb 2013 #88

But parents sign off to send their "kids" to war blueamy66 Feb 2013 #166

Really? 16 year olds go off to war in this country? And I thought you liked lawsuits? msanthrope Feb 2013 #199

Get a life. blueamy66 Feb 2013 #213

+1000 Atman Feb 2013 #220

If you find my memory inconvenient, perhaps you should refrain from posting to me. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #227

Your memory isn't the problem blueamy66 Feb 2013 #231

I have a memory palace. DU has a room. Your Mother's Day thread was one for the ages. msanthrope Feb 2013 #247

17 year olds... actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #375

They used to. Atman Feb 2013 #219

Or see a naked woman blueamy66 Feb 2013 #234

Do you have an example from this century? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #265

Do you have anything relevant to post other than "it's the law?" Atman Feb 2013 #322

"skanky snatch" Marrah_G Feb 2013 #66

Ridiculous Atman Feb 2013 #100

right. it is a deragatory and demeaning comment made toward the stripper to show the disrespect seabeyond Feb 2013 #105

ALL WOMEN MUST BE ON A PEDASTAL, so says Seabeyond Atman Feb 2013 #118

once again, who is making stuff up? did i say that? no. and you did not address seabeyond Feb 2013 #119

Seabeyond is right, and your strawman is just obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #178

Precisely--a thing to be used, and then despised. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #155

not all men choose to live in this hypocrisy, but the men that do insist all men feel as they do. seabeyond Feb 2013 #158

Do you know this woman? gollygee Feb 2013 #110

Fair enough. Atman Feb 2013 #120

If he used that term, then yes obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #179

Nonsense. Atman Feb 2013 #182

Marrah is 100% right obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #176

Excellent question !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RKP5637 Feb 2013 #72

Apparently not. Atman Feb 2013 #104

SO you have no problem with an adult having sex with a 13yr old? jmg257 Feb 2013 #121

please keep away from mine. seabeyond Feb 2013 #123

You ain't shitting - down right scary. 'Nothing is inappropriate, it's jmg257 Feb 2013 #127

Hope you're not including me in that ... my post about the 13 yr old marriage RKP5637 Feb 2013 #204

Strawman bullshit Atman Feb 2013 #136

Yep-just marriage to 'females' at around 13 or so. I assume they'll be celibate...for some reason. jmg257 Feb 2013 #144

Nope, didn't say that at all, I'm just posting what some state laws were. And RKP5637 Feb 2013 #137

Ahh - I see now. Thanks for clearing that up! nt jmg257 Feb 2013 #148

BTW...WTF is "female marriage"?? And why is it perfectly fine at age 13??? jmg257 Feb 2013 #134

How in the world did you read into this that I was for it? I'm pointing out the inconsistency in RKP5637 Feb 2013 #142

Maybe it was the way the post was written, where you 1)question 18, and jmg257 Feb 2013 #147

Yep, it could be confusing as written. I'll leave it as is for now. Thanks for getting back to me! RKP5637 Feb 2013 #151

Apologies. Cheers! nt jmg257 Feb 2013 #156

DO you think a man who has sex with a girl of 15 should be charged with statutory rape? jmg257 Feb 2013 #117

Please self-delete this post and delete the derogatory, sexist term that you used. yardwork Feb 2013 #159

So, you think "skanky snatch" is acceptable language? obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #173

Sure - but just when referring to it being thrust in a 16yr old boy's face! jmg257 Feb 2013 #185

wrong. the hunks junk is not ok because boys and girls are different. not ok for the girl and the seabeyond Feb 2013 #189

Quite. Boys WILL be boys ya know! Let them be degraded, and degrade. jmg257 Feb 2013 #200

Genders reversed zaireeka Feb 2013 #202

Nice. Another parent trying to be cool, at her kid's expense. jmg257 Feb 2013 #215

To answer your question quite directly ... Laelth Feb 2013 #174

What does 18 have to do with anything I said? Nothing. Why not speak to what I really said? Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #217

"Skanky snatch" - Wow. myrna minx Feb 2013 #260

+100 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #243

"there are differences between boys and girls" that is so fuckin' lame. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #40

I would expect nothing less from you, Sea. Atman Feb 2013 #48

backatcha... nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #50

There are major differences between boys and girls. Laelth Feb 2013 #191

prove it. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #194

Smile. Laelth Feb 2013 #208

figured. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #209

Those moral and ethical difference are merely observers holding two equals do unequal standards LanternWaste Feb 2013 #180

The Mom decided it would be OK for everyone there. Your daughter jmg257 Feb 2013 #193

If the mother is 33, and the boy just turned 16... Moosepoop Feb 2013 #240

So we've established that your preferred age for defacto adulthood among men is 16. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #254

"Nude woman" and "Stripper" are qualitatively different. Cal Carpenter Feb 2013 #13

Ya know it just not that hard to follow the law lunatica Feb 2013 #20

Exactly. Are people here for a political discussion or a moral one? Cal Carpenter Feb 2013 #28

I think it's endangering the welfare of a child to expose them to sexually explicit material. Nine Feb 2013 #22

But it's just a naked woman Atman Feb 2013 #29

No--it's a sex worker touching a minor, procured by the parent. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #36

The crime is endangerment of the welfare of a minor. Nine Feb 2013 #71

how do nudists fit in? jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #26

the OP thinks casual nudity is the same as a sexually charged performance intended to excite. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #33

Don't tell me what the OP thinks, thank you. Atman Feb 2013 #37

You claim a lap dance is the same as 'seeing boobies' and keep insisting ALL boys would dig that. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #41

I DID NOT claim a lap dance is the same as "seeing boobies!" Atman Feb 2013 #51

You post said this is all about 'seeing boobies'. Yet the photos from the story show lap dances. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #55

I've already addressed that. Atman Feb 2013 #69

Exactly Atman Feb 2013 #34

Paying a sex worker to touch your minor child is a crime, Atman. msanthrope Feb 2013 #31

Lap dancing is way beyond just "seeing boobies" Jersey Devil Feb 2013 #35

Kids as young as 13 were present., too. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #38

Have any of you noticed that I had no link or photos when I posted the story? Atman Feb 2013 #39

If it's a crime to take your son to a strip club for his 16th birthday and buy him a lap dance gollygee Feb 2013 #42

Paying a sex worker to touch your minor child is a crime. What are you not getting? msanthrope Feb 2013 #46

The CRIME is what the LAW says it is. So LOOK IT THE **** UP. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #87

You win an internet jberryhill Feb 2013 #316

Meh, I was drawing nudes at 16. big deal. Javaman Feb 2013 #44

Was the nude model paid for by your parents, did she touch you, and did others watch and take msanthrope Feb 2013 #49

Our gallery used to host "figure drawing" classes every week. Atman Feb 2013 #53

I've never seen a figure drawing class that allowed physical contact or leering at the models. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #124

maybe even talked about her "skanky snatch" since it is a known stripper term. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #128

I was upset at about 11 or less that there were no such things (to my knowledge) as RKP5637 Feb 2013 #61

From both directions, it seems. LanternWaste Feb 2013 #210

I have never been harmed by nudity. n/t Laelth Feb 2013 #52

Read the thread...we aren't talking about nudity. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #54

Interesting and clever framing by the OP, isn't it. Laelth Feb 2013 #153

As a criminal defense attorney, I have to disagree....the issue is not rearing a child as msanthrope Feb 2013 #190

NY law is not my specialty, so I will defer to you on this. Laelth Feb 2013 #196

I agree that the best solution all around may be a civil case....but here's the problem... msanthrope Feb 2013 #221

No doubt. Laelth Feb 2013 #230

Does the right to raise a child as a parent sees fit extend to... say... buying them alcohol? n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #271

Touchy subject. Laelth Feb 2013 #286

How is a nude man rubbing his crotch against a 16 year old woman-child..."endangerment"? HMMMMM?? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #68

More puritanical BS.. Upton Feb 2013 #79

Yes, a stranger's naked genitals up close is a dream come true. Post a pic of yours! WinkyDink Feb 2013 #84

To a 16 year old boy.. Upton Feb 2013 #86

Really? And would said boy like it if his friends and MOM observed his 16-yr-old boy reaction? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #89

Really? Having a woman bought and paid for by your mom to do so msanthrope Feb 2013 #92

since there are lots of grown men that do not have the desire, seabeyond Feb 2013 #94

That's right.. Upton Feb 2013 #98

because that is really not even close to saying the same thing. i too, can roll my eyes. seabeyond Feb 2013 #109

'Every boy would want this' is a sexist, and perhaps homophobic assumption. msanthrope Feb 2013 #102

exactly. further, they are not allowed to express it because men like on this thread seabeyond Feb 2013 #111

Indeed. I know grown heterosexual men who would be disgusted by this. MadrasT Feb 2013 #250

My husband would have called the police had he seen this going on. msanthrope Feb 2013 #252

most all men in my life, but a drunk brother, would have been "outraged". but then, seabeyond Feb 2013 #263

Naked women are a 16 year old boy's fantasy.. Upton Feb 2013 #95

Do you not understand that procuring sex workers for your minor child is a crime? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #97

All you keep saying is ..it's the law.. Upton Feb 2013 #107

The assumption of endangerment gollygee Feb 2013 #114

Well, this is a democracy. You can file a suit, or you can elect legislators, or heck, you can even msanthrope Feb 2013 #122

This party was also attended by girls and boys as young as 14. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #235

What kid wouldn't enjoy playing X-box every day instead of going to school? LanternWaste Feb 2013 #214

+1 Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #225

At least she didn't hire stripping clowns.... cliffordu Feb 2013 #80

Or take them to the Olive Garden, and sat them in the smoking section. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #90

With pit bulls cliffordu Feb 2013 #367

I don't know how they were endangered and it seems like no one else does either TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #91

Excuse--I know precisely why they were endangered, and I have stated it quite a few times. msanthrope Feb 2013 #96

You just recite "the law" over and over again. Atman Feb 2013 #129

13% of teens have had sex by age 15. young people have sex for the first time at about age 17, seabeyond Feb 2013 #135

I broke all the rules... Atman Feb 2013 #149

i am pointing out where what you experience is not everyones experience. you do not like that. seabeyond Feb 2013 #152

"...if you are wrong." Atman Feb 2013 #161

"So a 16 year old, already likely sexually active," YOU said this. YOU are wrong. every stat seabeyond Feb 2013 #167

No--I'm reciting the elements of the crime. Do you dispute any of those elements? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #141

The crime is an adult touching a child sexually obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #186

What are you going on about with "placeholders"? (PS - it's NOT a crime) sir pball Feb 2013 #163

Really? You can touch minors below the age of consent in NYS as long as you are wearing panties and msanthrope Feb 2013 #211

Yes, you can. Please educate yourself. sir pball Feb 2013 #226

Ahem...you are mistaken in quite a few ways. msanthrope Feb 2013 #244

That is some serious legal stretching and a couple of fails. sir pball Feb 2013 #284

Wow. You are just very wrong--- msanthrope Feb 2013 #293

What source do you have? sir pball Feb 2013 #302

Here--on the 13 year old- msanthrope Feb 2013 #329

The kids posted to Facebook. sir pball Feb 2013 #332

You don't know that. You have no idea who took pictures, who msanthrope Feb 2013 #333

You're right, I'm just thinking sir pball Feb 2013 #352

I am swinging a bit farther than I should the other way sir pball Feb 2013 #310

Really? One minor was bit on the nipple and scratched. You have that happen in from of many 13 msanthrope Feb 2013 #328

Happened to my sister sir pball Feb 2013 #330

Would you support prosecution if your daughter had been one of the kids at this party? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #264

I think it's not so much about nudity as it is about sexual arousal R B Garr Feb 2013 #99

There's no law against "icky." Atman Feb 2013 #131

I can understand a nude woman at a supervised art/photo class involving figure studies... edbermac Feb 2013 #140

The photo shown in this thread is disgusting. Stomach turning, even. Romulox Feb 2013 #143

Why is "Really Gross" a crime? Atman Feb 2013 #157

SOCIETY is harmed by this. It's exploitative of the dancer. It's age-inappropriate Romulox Feb 2013 #164

thank you. with two boys, i so appreciate you being honest. seabeyond Feb 2013 #175

I love these guys... zaireeka Feb 2013 #248

having two sons this age, ya, i get it. and not seeing a lot of difference what they are going seabeyond Feb 2013 #267

Raising boys.... zaireeka Feb 2013 #289

my husband gives my boys this.... seabeyond Feb 2013 #314

No problem, seabeyond. I think it's a lot harder to be a kid today then when I was a boy. nt Romulox Feb 2013 #347

so true. and it makes it no easier for a parent fighting against this garbage being fed seabeyond Feb 2013 #348

I suppose you have no problem with NAMBLA, either. randome Feb 2013 #195

Intimate dances by a stripper for 5 minors under the age of 17 = Child endangerment nt Poll_Blind Feb 2013 #160

Look, this isn't complicated. Nine Feb 2013 #168

How does this have anything to do with sex workers? bettyellen Feb 2013 #169

Actually, that's a good question. Why wasn't the stripper arrested? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #277

I read that they are considering charges against the strippers and the company. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #298

both the Mom and stripper no doubt, broke the law. i bet there will be charges brought. bettyellen Feb 2013 #300

This thread certainly was revealing. JTFrog Feb 2013 #177

you think? dlwickham Feb 2013 #188

Totally agreed. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #238

Yes...I've been trolling since 2002 just waiting for this day! Atman Feb 2013 #246

Amazing. Even for DU. n/t MadrasT Feb 2013 #251

The crime is an adult touching a child sexually obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #187

she wont be winning any mother of the year awards Smll_Ax3 Feb 2013 #201

The other spectators were not all 16 and older. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #241

Most people only read the most recent posts. Atman Feb 2013 #253

Except in this case the crime was NOT about seeing a naked woman. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #282

AUUUGH! NAKED! Atman Feb 2013 #288

Please supply me with support for your claims FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #297

I didnt read the article Smll_Ax3 Feb 2013 #256

You're just egging someone to use the "m" word, and I will oblige you. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #203

I won't call you any name in the book. You make good points. Atman Feb 2013 #218

At some point do you think 'the crime' MIGHT BE MORE THEN nudity? jmg257 Feb 2013 #228

The question of what CRIME has been answered, bighart Feb 2013 #232

The mother did not get pregnant at 14. Moosepoop Feb 2013 #272

Dear lord... Atman Feb 2013 #276

"Think up" what? Moosepoop Feb 2013 #294

QFT Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #222

yes. a very good post. and i thank the poster. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #223

Fucking A zaireeka Feb 2013 #303

As if that 16 year old boy saw anything he hadn't seen before. AndyA Feb 2013 #207

Well - HER son might not of minded. The other 13/14/15 yr olds and their folks might have. jmg257 Feb 2013 #224

endanger Billcorton Feb 2013 #212

In reality, he probably wasn't in any danger, but its still justifiably a crime. phleshdef Feb 2013 #237

Maybe it wasn't the nudity (it wasn't). Maybe it was the sexual contact with various juveniles? jmg257 Feb 2013 #245

Here is the relevant law. Nine Feb 2013 #249

That tells me nothing. Atman Feb 2013 #257

Hmm...We, the people...through our chosen representatives? jmg257 Feb 2013 #266

Now I know you are just playing with us. Nine Feb 2013 #291

Yes--that's it. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #259

ATMAN I am going to give you some friendly advice. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #255

Ive been here for more than a decade. Atman Feb 2013 #258

That is your choice. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #261

I can't believe this is such an issue! Atman Feb 2013 #269

Your terminology is incorrect. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #283

I also want you to be aware there are three different threads in META about you post right now. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #299

Make an example of you? You're embarrassing bettyellen Feb 2013 #281

ok bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #268

Creepy sdlcman Feb 2013 #270

they were giving the boys lap dances shanti Feb 2013 #273

I would if I were a 16 year old boy. Atman Feb 2013 #279

I don't think a nude woman endangers a 16-year-old boy LittleBlue Feb 2013 #274

A teen CHOOSING to sneak into a strip club for a "peek" is quite different FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #290

Some of them at least made it public in a way sir pball Feb 2013 #307

A 14 yr old girl may "love" having sex with her 27 (or 35 or 42) yr old boyfriend FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #318

A young girl being sexually exploited by a man 15 years her senior sir pball Feb 2013 #327

"the kids in the room intensely uncomfortable," what fuckin' right does an adult have to put a seabeyond Feb 2013 #331

And they were charged appropriately sir pball Feb 2013 #336

Yup! obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #342

Victoria's Secret models do not grind on the watcher's crotch. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #337

because one is a boy and one is a girl. and they are sexually SOOO much different. seabeyond Feb 2013 #340

That's an awful lot of conflation sir pball Feb 2013 #374

It is exactly the same thing obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #341

Not in 30 states. sir pball Feb 2013 #356

Except, as has been pointed out countless times, not all the kids were 16 FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #358

I think the internet has quite prepared them for this type of exposure LittleBlue Feb 2013 #346

What harm...? zaireeka Feb 2013 #359

Perfectly stated. n/t FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #366

And your daughter, going to a party where she is subjected to her peers recieving lap dances? FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #363

Depends what the statute considers danger. Deep13 Feb 2013 #275

AAAUUUGGGHHH! BOOBIES! Atman Feb 2013 #278

So you think there is no such law? Deep13 Feb 2013 #285

Why do you keep insinuating she only got arrested for 'boobies'? jmg257 Feb 2013 #287

So you're sure it was forced? No one could leave? Atman Feb 2013 #292

There you go again - IT WAS NOT "SEEING A NAKED WOMEN"! jmg257 Feb 2013 #296

How does a lap dance endanger a teenage boy? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #306

Well - let's see - it is 1)apparently illegal. jmg257 Feb 2013 #315

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Persistent dumb ass at that..."16 year old young man saw a stripper". More then that though, right? jmg257 Feb 2013 #325

There was no nudity, yet you claim it is all about nudity. A crime is what the law says is a crime. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #334

I'll explain it to you again. We the people don't like it when other people's jmg257 Feb 2013 #305

How does superficial sexual contact endanger him? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #308

Not sure. Why don't you ask the parents who signed the compliants about THIER jmg257 Feb 2013 #311

Now you're a mindreader? Nine Feb 2013 #317

Stop dwelling on the "danger" part of the statute. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #335

Doesn't matter if it endangered him. It probably broke the law. onenote Feb 2013 #371

And I think anybody arguing against THAT charge is an underreactive idiot sir pball Feb 2013 #313

Agree. She will be lucky if all she gets is an endangerment charge. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #338

And if the boobies on display were those of a 16 year old girl onenote Feb 2013 #369

Hmmmm.... Taverner Feb 2013 #280

I think this might be more appropriate for this thread ... JoePhilly Feb 2013 #295

Ridiculous charge. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #304

Because YOU said so. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #339

this threads reminds me of the stupidity DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #309

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #344

Why does everyone object to this woman trying to earn a living? Orrex Feb 2013 #343

If this thread illustrates anything... Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #350

What your post illustrates is that you don't know what happened. It is not what they SAW. DevonRex Feb 2013 #357

I wrote... (cont) Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #362

Ice cream, Mandrake! Children's ice cream! kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #354

I went on an optional Saturday "cultural" field trip to SF's North Beach in the late 60s PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #355

Here's a picture the lapdance and one of "Mom" having sex on the beach... NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #360

If the stripper was displaying her body in a sexually stimulative way aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2013 #364

Reading through this thread ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #365

Maybe it isn't the best idea for a 16 yo to see a woman objectified so? pepperbear Feb 2013 #370

Message auto-removed time 4 me to fly Feb 2013 #372

Every child is different JuniperLea Feb 2013 #376