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[Gorp]

301. I had to borrow a Speedo to go to the pool in 8th grade and the guy who loaned it to me...

... accused me of being at "half mast" right in front of a bunch of girls in bikinis. Yeah, so I was, but still. What 8th grade boy wouldn't be? That's about as close to naked as a guy can get without going full monty or paying a visit to Victoria's Secret for some all-lace undies. At the time I was mortified. It wouldn't bother me a bit now. After you spend a few times in a hospital with a catheter you pretty much lose that "pride" thing, and that's especially true when giving birth. Any mother will confirm that.

Some of the bikinis out there are pretty much equivalent. My daughters won't wear anything like that, but my wife does. She doesn't like padded tops so string bikinis are her preference for comfort. She doesn't own any underwire bras and rarely wears anything other than sports bras. If she's not at work or exercising then the bra thing doesn't exist. I know they're most helpful for many women, but she's in the range where it's not necessary under most circumstances.

This post isn't directly related to the thread other than I agree with the OP on one thing - make the arbitrary age consistent. Driving, alcohol, military service, legal sex, gun ownership, stripping, whatever it is. Pick an age and call it "adult". There's a pretty major disconnect in how we treat various activities and the associated legal ages. I think the 4-year difference in age rule should remain in place for sex, but that's mostly because I've known a lot of guys (mostly) who have taken advantage of far younger under-18 girls. Four years is a reasonable spread for relationships in the near-adult years. Beyond that you get into major maturity differences and likelyhood of abuse of those differences increases dramatically.

There was a house that we hung out at a lot in high school, mostly because the girl's mom let us smoke (including pot). One of my good friends at the time was dating a 12 year old. He was 16, but just barely within the 4 year rule. The girl's mom (of the house) had a boyfriend named Pete. One day he got caught with the 12-year old, examining her parts. He came up with some lame excuse about helping her because she had an "ingrown pussy hair" (whatever that's supposed to mean). None of us trusted him after that.

My friend also wasn't this 12-year old's first lay. It should be obvious, but she had a rather unpleasant home life. Frankly we should have called the cops on Pete, but we probably didn't because there was a tray of pot and a bong on the coffee table. There usually was.