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LittleBlue

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346. I think the internet has quite prepared them for this type of exposure

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:52 PM

Feb 2013

From what I've seen of kids today, at least. The internet made our virginal mysteries seem like a bygone era.

If it were my son getting a lapdance or whatever, would I care? Probably not. It would relieve me if good old fashioned strippers were his outlet, rather than say someone peeing on someone else. Seeing a naked woman when I was a kid was really something, eye opening stuff. It involved a lot of work and sneaking around. Nowadays there are thousands of naked woman just a few clicks away.

The general reaction is all a bit Puritan for my tastes. The mother was in the wrong, but really what harm was done? I could never pretend to be outraged at something like this, not in an era where everyone surfs for porn but pretends to be scandalized by a nude dance. Half the parents outraged probably have young teenagers surfing porn on their laptops.

That's my feelings on it anyway.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Atman Feb 2013 OP

Link? nt Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #1

Not familiar with the details here, but if the genders were reversed, closeupready Feb 2013 #2

A nude anything alone shouldn't be considered endangering treestar Feb 2013 #3

None in the US should be exposed to Sex or Nudity until over THIRTY (at least)!!! RKP5637 Feb 2013 #57

And then only in the context of marriage, or enhanced interrogation, kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #126

Until at least thirty? Dpm12 Feb 2013 #139

Did you see the Sarcasm? RKP5637 Feb 2013 #145

More like especially after 30 Major Nikon Feb 2013 #206

The OP is misleading...this was a lot more than mere nudity. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #76

C'mon, strippers are about a little more than nudity. Marr Feb 2013 #197

Do you know any 16 yr olds that haven't figured out how to get better off the internet for free? Major Nikon Feb 2013 #216

At what age can it be handled? treestar Feb 2013 #312

13% of teens have had sex by age 15. young people have sex for the first time at about age 17, seabeyond Feb 2013 #321

This was not the same as a naturist family's trip to a nude beach. Bucky Feb 2013 #198

strippers, with other peoples children "14, 15 and 16 year old child" seabeyond Feb 2013 #4

I wish I knew the code they were being charged under el_bryanto Feb 2013 #8

my child goes to an adults house and served booze (cause the parent wants to be cool) seabeyond Feb 2013 #10

I'd be surprised if anybody defended the mom's actions - el_bryanto Feb 2013 #16

Serving a kid alcohol would be "endangering" the child. Atman Feb 2013 #21

It depends on what the law actually says. We do have laws around statutory rape in some places el_bryanto Feb 2013 #24

"Is a 14-15 year old prepared emotionally..." Atman Feb 2013 #56

and i was raised in calif, on a swim team and we were in essence naked all the time. seabeyond Feb 2013 #59

"...as much as you want to pretend." Atman Feb 2013 #62

you compare it to teenage years playing on the beach, to drawing nudes, to merely seeing boobies... seabeyond Feb 2013 #63

You bore me. Atman Feb 2013 #67

you say all kinds of shit thru out the thread and then pretend you didnt. ya. a bore. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #70

No, I've been very consistent, as have you. Atman Feb 2013 #74

"first one to claim all men are evil pigs". "consistently conflated and twisted my words" seabeyond Feb 2013 #78

Why are you avoiding the very clear statement I have made regarding the CRIME? msanthrope Feb 2013 #83

What does the statute say? or do you have the code? el_bryanto Feb 2013 #106

I'd check out NY Penal sections 230 and 260. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #115

That's is an over the top response. el_bryanto Feb 2013 #103

It's possible she has a certain "style" Atman Feb 2013 #112

so i use your words. you make stuff up. and you call me out. what a fuckin' hoot. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #113

Well that's nonsensical logic right there el_bryanto Feb 2013 #138

What then makes it bad parenting...? LanternWaste Feb 2013 #162

First, this wasn't just nudity as you seem to admit with your next accusation against Sea... DevonRex Feb 2013 #349

Actually, I have the same question Scootaloo Feb 2013 #353

It probably has something to do with the state laws susanr516 Feb 2013 #361

Oh, now bathing suits make one "essentially naked"? Well, it is the QUALIFIER that counts here. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #77

if you saw the speedos of the 70' and 80's, when wet, or hell, even dry, pretty much. seabeyond Feb 2013 #82

I'm actually with Seabeyond on this... Atman Feb 2013 #85

I had to borrow a Speedo to go to the pool in 8th grade and the guy who loaned it to me... Gorp Feb 2013 #301

You would have to look at the law to determine harm or endangerment el_bryanto Feb 2013 #101

It's probably statutory rape on the part of the stripper. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #108

One of the most sane posts yet. Atman Feb 2013 #116

I think it falls under "informed consent" laws R B Garr Feb 2013 #132

18 is the official age for sex? Not in most states. cali Feb 2013 #150

the age of consent is 16 in most states hfojvt Feb 2013 #233

Looks like 17 in NY. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #323

How is it statutory rape if sex wasn't involved? Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #262

Statutory rape is a catch-all as I am using it here. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #319

I meant to say, "I'm not taking sides" ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #324

I saw that and figured as much. LOL Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #326

There was at least one 13 year old at this party. The arrest took place in that context. pnwmom Feb 2013 #351

like not all men want to go to strip bars, not all boys want to have a stripper rub her crotch in seabeyond Feb 2013 #32

I have two sons. I don't care what ALL men want. Atman Feb 2013 #60

Sex crimes against minors do not involve an element of consent, generally, so the issue of 'force' msanthrope Feb 2013 #130

Young people will do a lot of things amongst their peers MadrasT Feb 2013 #236

Reverse genders. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #75

How about a 14 year old? cali Feb 2013 #146

I suspect the child endangerment charges are placeholders. msanthrope Feb 2013 #43

B.I.N.G.O. GaYellowDawg Feb 2013 #183

Didn't they used to call that 'contributing to the delinquincy of a minor'? Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2013 #15

No, lots of other states have that, or "corruption of minors" sir pball Feb 2013 #133

Seems to me more "corruption of minors" sir pball Feb 2013 #125

I heard some pundit guffawing that he could not believe that ANY 16 year old American boy Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #5

The question was, is in "endangerment?" Atman Feb 2013 #7

Wow. Way to fully miss the entire point. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #18

I didn't miss the point. Atman Feb 2013 #25

Being gay is not a 'lifestyle'. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #65

"Lifestyle" Atman Feb 2013 #93

Dressing in drag and being gay are not the same things. It is not the case that outgoing gay Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #154

Thank you for these posts. redqueen Feb 2013 #165

We have no argument here. Atman Feb 2013 #172

Wow. What you are doing is defining your cross dressing friend as having a gay 'lifestyle' while Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #239

Thank you for sticking with this conversation. DevonRex Feb 2013 #345

When words impede communication, why use them? LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #373

There is so much ignorance in this post I don't know where to begin. yardwork Feb 2013 #171

How the hell do you know? Atman Feb 2013 #181

IT'S AN ISSUE WITH ME BECAUSE I AM GAY yardwork Feb 2013 #184

I thought I was on ignore? Atman Feb 2013 #229

So, being gay is a lifestyle to you obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #192

So you're just deliberately ignoring what I posted? Atman Feb 2013 #242

Wow, you just ooze hetero privilege. Yuck. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #170

WTF has happened to you all of a sudden? You are behaving as if you have had some sort of major stevenleser Feb 2013 #368

^^^^^^^^What he said!!!^^^^^^^ Squinch Feb 2013 #377

16 year olds cant see a stripper but they CAN get pregnant and decide wether or no to have an leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #23

It may involve more than the mere sight boobies. aikoaiko Feb 2013 #6

Is that an actual picture from the party? Atman Feb 2013 #9

According to the link, yes, it is from the party aikoaiko Feb 2013 #19

It looks to me like that 16 yo has quite the receding hairline MindPilot Feb 2013 #30

It's the internet...it must be true Atman Feb 2013 #47

It is from the party. They performed lap dances on several minors. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #205

Response from the 16 year old boys out there... WCGreen Feb 2013 #14

The state has an interest in very bad parenting. Brickbat Feb 2013 #11

Would you care if your 14yr old daughter was at a party with male strippers? jmg257 Feb 2013 #12

Of course I would care. Atman Feb 2013 #17

If you don't want your daughter seeing strippers then this OP is bullshit deluxe Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #27

Who invented "18" Atman Feb 2013 #45

Who invented "18?" Atman, I've had criminal clients ask me the same question. msanthrope Feb 2013 #58

Your point being? Atman Feb 2013 #64

Yes. It is the law. It is what matters. People who don't get that simple concept tend to be my msanthrope Feb 2013 #73

"How do you not get that..." Atman Feb 2013 #81

Oh, I read all your posts--including #60, where you note that no minor was 'forced'--as if that's an msanthrope Feb 2013 #88

But parents sign off to send their "kids" to war blueamy66 Feb 2013 #166

Really? 16 year olds go off to war in this country? And I thought you liked lawsuits? msanthrope Feb 2013 #199

Get a life. blueamy66 Feb 2013 #213

+1000 Atman Feb 2013 #220

If you find my memory inconvenient, perhaps you should refrain from posting to me. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #227

Your memory isn't the problem blueamy66 Feb 2013 #231

I have a memory palace. DU has a room. Your Mother's Day thread was one for the ages. msanthrope Feb 2013 #247

17 year olds... actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #375

They used to. Atman Feb 2013 #219

Or see a naked woman blueamy66 Feb 2013 #234

Do you have an example from this century? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #265

Do you have anything relevant to post other than "it's the law?" Atman Feb 2013 #322

"skanky snatch" Marrah_G Feb 2013 #66

Ridiculous Atman Feb 2013 #100

right. it is a deragatory and demeaning comment made toward the stripper to show the disrespect seabeyond Feb 2013 #105

ALL WOMEN MUST BE ON A PEDASTAL, so says Seabeyond Atman Feb 2013 #118

once again, who is making stuff up? did i say that? no. and you did not address seabeyond Feb 2013 #119

Seabeyond is right, and your strawman is just obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #178

Precisely--a thing to be used, and then despised. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #155

not all men choose to live in this hypocrisy, but the men that do insist all men feel as they do. seabeyond Feb 2013 #158

Do you know this woman? gollygee Feb 2013 #110

Fair enough. Atman Feb 2013 #120

If he used that term, then yes obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #179

Nonsense. Atman Feb 2013 #182

Marrah is 100% right obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #176

Excellent question !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RKP5637 Feb 2013 #72

Apparently not. Atman Feb 2013 #104

SO you have no problem with an adult having sex with a 13yr old? jmg257 Feb 2013 #121

please keep away from mine. seabeyond Feb 2013 #123

You ain't shitting - down right scary. 'Nothing is inappropriate, it's jmg257 Feb 2013 #127

Hope you're not including me in that ... my post about the 13 yr old marriage RKP5637 Feb 2013 #204

Strawman bullshit Atman Feb 2013 #136

Yep-just marriage to 'females' at around 13 or so. I assume they'll be celibate...for some reason. jmg257 Feb 2013 #144

Nope, didn't say that at all, I'm just posting what some state laws were. And RKP5637 Feb 2013 #137

Ahh - I see now. Thanks for clearing that up! nt jmg257 Feb 2013 #148

BTW...WTF is "female marriage"?? And why is it perfectly fine at age 13??? jmg257 Feb 2013 #134

How in the world did you read into this that I was for it? I'm pointing out the inconsistency in RKP5637 Feb 2013 #142

Maybe it was the way the post was written, where you 1)question 18, and jmg257 Feb 2013 #147

Yep, it could be confusing as written. I'll leave it as is for now. Thanks for getting back to me! RKP5637 Feb 2013 #151

Apologies. Cheers! nt jmg257 Feb 2013 #156

DO you think a man who has sex with a girl of 15 should be charged with statutory rape? jmg257 Feb 2013 #117

Please self-delete this post and delete the derogatory, sexist term that you used. yardwork Feb 2013 #159

So, you think "skanky snatch" is acceptable language? obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #173

Sure - but just when referring to it being thrust in a 16yr old boy's face! jmg257 Feb 2013 #185

wrong. the hunks junk is not ok because boys and girls are different. not ok for the girl and the seabeyond Feb 2013 #189

Quite. Boys WILL be boys ya know! Let them be degraded, and degrade. jmg257 Feb 2013 #200

Genders reversed zaireeka Feb 2013 #202

Nice. Another parent trying to be cool, at her kid's expense. jmg257 Feb 2013 #215

To answer your question quite directly ... Laelth Feb 2013 #174

What does 18 have to do with anything I said? Nothing. Why not speak to what I really said? Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #217

"Skanky snatch" - Wow. myrna minx Feb 2013 #260

+100 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #243

"there are differences between boys and girls" that is so fuckin' lame. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #40

I would expect nothing less from you, Sea. Atman Feb 2013 #48

backatcha... nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #50

There are major differences between boys and girls. Laelth Feb 2013 #191

prove it. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #194

Smile. Laelth Feb 2013 #208

figured. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #209

Those moral and ethical difference are merely observers holding two equals do unequal standards LanternWaste Feb 2013 #180

The Mom decided it would be OK for everyone there. Your daughter jmg257 Feb 2013 #193

If the mother is 33, and the boy just turned 16... Moosepoop Feb 2013 #240

So we've established that your preferred age for defacto adulthood among men is 16. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #254

"Nude woman" and "Stripper" are qualitatively different. Cal Carpenter Feb 2013 #13

Ya know it just not that hard to follow the law lunatica Feb 2013 #20

Exactly. Are people here for a political discussion or a moral one? Cal Carpenter Feb 2013 #28

I think it's endangering the welfare of a child to expose them to sexually explicit material. Nine Feb 2013 #22

But it's just a naked woman Atman Feb 2013 #29

No--it's a sex worker touching a minor, procured by the parent. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #36

The crime is endangerment of the welfare of a minor. Nine Feb 2013 #71

how do nudists fit in? jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #26

the OP thinks casual nudity is the same as a sexually charged performance intended to excite. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #33

Don't tell me what the OP thinks, thank you. Atman Feb 2013 #37

You claim a lap dance is the same as 'seeing boobies' and keep insisting ALL boys would dig that. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #41

I DID NOT claim a lap dance is the same as "seeing boobies!" Atman Feb 2013 #51

You post said this is all about 'seeing boobies'. Yet the photos from the story show lap dances. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #55

I've already addressed that. Atman Feb 2013 #69

Exactly Atman Feb 2013 #34

Paying a sex worker to touch your minor child is a crime, Atman. msanthrope Feb 2013 #31

Lap dancing is way beyond just "seeing boobies" Jersey Devil Feb 2013 #35

Kids as young as 13 were present., too. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #38

Have any of you noticed that I had no link or photos when I posted the story? Atman Feb 2013 #39

If it's a crime to take your son to a strip club for his 16th birthday and buy him a lap dance gollygee Feb 2013 #42

Paying a sex worker to touch your minor child is a crime. What are you not getting? msanthrope Feb 2013 #46

The CRIME is what the LAW says it is. So LOOK IT THE **** UP. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #87

You win an internet jberryhill Feb 2013 #316

Meh, I was drawing nudes at 16. big deal. Javaman Feb 2013 #44

Was the nude model paid for by your parents, did she touch you, and did others watch and take msanthrope Feb 2013 #49

Our gallery used to host "figure drawing" classes every week. Atman Feb 2013 #53

I've never seen a figure drawing class that allowed physical contact or leering at the models. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #124

maybe even talked about her "skanky snatch" since it is a known stripper term. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #128

I was upset at about 11 or less that there were no such things (to my knowledge) as RKP5637 Feb 2013 #61

From both directions, it seems. LanternWaste Feb 2013 #210

I have never been harmed by nudity. n/t Laelth Feb 2013 #52

Read the thread...we aren't talking about nudity. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #54

Interesting and clever framing by the OP, isn't it. Laelth Feb 2013 #153

As a criminal defense attorney, I have to disagree....the issue is not rearing a child as msanthrope Feb 2013 #190

NY law is not my specialty, so I will defer to you on this. Laelth Feb 2013 #196

I agree that the best solution all around may be a civil case....but here's the problem... msanthrope Feb 2013 #221

No doubt. Laelth Feb 2013 #230

Does the right to raise a child as a parent sees fit extend to... say... buying them alcohol? n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #271

Touchy subject. Laelth Feb 2013 #286

How is a nude man rubbing his crotch against a 16 year old woman-child..."endangerment"? HMMMMM?? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #68

More puritanical BS.. Upton Feb 2013 #79

Yes, a stranger's naked genitals up close is a dream come true. Post a pic of yours! WinkyDink Feb 2013 #84

To a 16 year old boy.. Upton Feb 2013 #86

Really? And would said boy like it if his friends and MOM observed his 16-yr-old boy reaction? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #89

Really? Having a woman bought and paid for by your mom to do so msanthrope Feb 2013 #92

since there are lots of grown men that do not have the desire, seabeyond Feb 2013 #94

That's right.. Upton Feb 2013 #98

because that is really not even close to saying the same thing. i too, can roll my eyes. seabeyond Feb 2013 #109

'Every boy would want this' is a sexist, and perhaps homophobic assumption. msanthrope Feb 2013 #102

exactly. further, they are not allowed to express it because men like on this thread seabeyond Feb 2013 #111

Indeed. I know grown heterosexual men who would be disgusted by this. MadrasT Feb 2013 #250

My husband would have called the police had he seen this going on. msanthrope Feb 2013 #252

most all men in my life, but a drunk brother, would have been "outraged". but then, seabeyond Feb 2013 #263

Naked women are a 16 year old boy's fantasy.. Upton Feb 2013 #95

Do you not understand that procuring sex workers for your minor child is a crime? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #97

All you keep saying is ..it's the law.. Upton Feb 2013 #107

The assumption of endangerment gollygee Feb 2013 #114

Well, this is a democracy. You can file a suit, or you can elect legislators, or heck, you can even msanthrope Feb 2013 #122

This party was also attended by girls and boys as young as 14. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #235

What kid wouldn't enjoy playing X-box every day instead of going to school? LanternWaste Feb 2013 #214

+1 Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #225

At least she didn't hire stripping clowns.... cliffordu Feb 2013 #80

Or take them to the Olive Garden, and sat them in the smoking section. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #90

With pit bulls cliffordu Feb 2013 #367

I don't know how they were endangered and it seems like no one else does either TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #91

Excuse--I know precisely why they were endangered, and I have stated it quite a few times. msanthrope Feb 2013 #96

You just recite "the law" over and over again. Atman Feb 2013 #129

13% of teens have had sex by age 15. young people have sex for the first time at about age 17, seabeyond Feb 2013 #135

I broke all the rules... Atman Feb 2013 #149

i am pointing out where what you experience is not everyones experience. you do not like that. seabeyond Feb 2013 #152

"...if you are wrong." Atman Feb 2013 #161

"So a 16 year old, already likely sexually active," YOU said this. YOU are wrong. every stat seabeyond Feb 2013 #167

No--I'm reciting the elements of the crime. Do you dispute any of those elements? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #141

The crime is an adult touching a child sexually obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #186

What are you going on about with "placeholders"? (PS - it's NOT a crime) sir pball Feb 2013 #163

Really? You can touch minors below the age of consent in NYS as long as you are wearing panties and msanthrope Feb 2013 #211

Yes, you can. Please educate yourself. sir pball Feb 2013 #226

Ahem...you are mistaken in quite a few ways. msanthrope Feb 2013 #244

That is some serious legal stretching and a couple of fails. sir pball Feb 2013 #284

Wow. You are just very wrong--- msanthrope Feb 2013 #293

What source do you have? sir pball Feb 2013 #302

Here--on the 13 year old- msanthrope Feb 2013 #329

The kids posted to Facebook. sir pball Feb 2013 #332

You don't know that. You have no idea who took pictures, who msanthrope Feb 2013 #333

You're right, I'm just thinking sir pball Feb 2013 #352

I am swinging a bit farther than I should the other way sir pball Feb 2013 #310

Really? One minor was bit on the nipple and scratched. You have that happen in from of many 13 msanthrope Feb 2013 #328

Happened to my sister sir pball Feb 2013 #330

Would you support prosecution if your daughter had been one of the kids at this party? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #264

I think it's not so much about nudity as it is about sexual arousal R B Garr Feb 2013 #99

There's no law against "icky." Atman Feb 2013 #131

I can understand a nude woman at a supervised art/photo class involving figure studies... edbermac Feb 2013 #140

The photo shown in this thread is disgusting. Stomach turning, even. Romulox Feb 2013 #143

Why is "Really Gross" a crime? Atman Feb 2013 #157

SOCIETY is harmed by this. It's exploitative of the dancer. It's age-inappropriate Romulox Feb 2013 #164

thank you. with two boys, i so appreciate you being honest. seabeyond Feb 2013 #175

I love these guys... zaireeka Feb 2013 #248

having two sons this age, ya, i get it. and not seeing a lot of difference what they are going seabeyond Feb 2013 #267

Raising boys.... zaireeka Feb 2013 #289

my husband gives my boys this.... seabeyond Feb 2013 #314

No problem, seabeyond. I think it's a lot harder to be a kid today then when I was a boy. nt Romulox Feb 2013 #347

so true. and it makes it no easier for a parent fighting against this garbage being fed seabeyond Feb 2013 #348

I suppose you have no problem with NAMBLA, either. randome Feb 2013 #195

Intimate dances by a stripper for 5 minors under the age of 17 = Child endangerment nt Poll_Blind Feb 2013 #160

Look, this isn't complicated. Nine Feb 2013 #168

How does this have anything to do with sex workers? bettyellen Feb 2013 #169

Actually, that's a good question. Why wasn't the stripper arrested? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #277

I read that they are considering charges against the strippers and the company. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #298

both the Mom and stripper no doubt, broke the law. i bet there will be charges brought. bettyellen Feb 2013 #300

This thread certainly was revealing. JTFrog Feb 2013 #177

you think? dlwickham Feb 2013 #188

Totally agreed. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #238

Yes...I've been trolling since 2002 just waiting for this day! Atman Feb 2013 #246

Amazing. Even for DU. n/t MadrasT Feb 2013 #251

The crime is an adult touching a child sexually obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #187

she wont be winning any mother of the year awards Smll_Ax3 Feb 2013 #201

The other spectators were not all 16 and older. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #241

Most people only read the most recent posts. Atman Feb 2013 #253

Except in this case the crime was NOT about seeing a naked woman. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #282

AUUUGH! NAKED! Atman Feb 2013 #288

Please supply me with support for your claims FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #297

I didnt read the article Smll_Ax3 Feb 2013 #256

You're just egging someone to use the "m" word, and I will oblige you. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #203

I won't call you any name in the book. You make good points. Atman Feb 2013 #218

At some point do you think 'the crime' MIGHT BE MORE THEN nudity? jmg257 Feb 2013 #228

The question of what CRIME has been answered, bighart Feb 2013 #232

The mother did not get pregnant at 14. Moosepoop Feb 2013 #272

Dear lord... Atman Feb 2013 #276

"Think up" what? Moosepoop Feb 2013 #294

QFT Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #222

yes. a very good post. and i thank the poster. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #223

Fucking A zaireeka Feb 2013 #303

As if that 16 year old boy saw anything he hadn't seen before. AndyA Feb 2013 #207

Well - HER son might not of minded. The other 13/14/15 yr olds and their folks might have. jmg257 Feb 2013 #224

endanger Billcorton Feb 2013 #212

In reality, he probably wasn't in any danger, but its still justifiably a crime. phleshdef Feb 2013 #237

Maybe it wasn't the nudity (it wasn't). Maybe it was the sexual contact with various juveniles? jmg257 Feb 2013 #245

Here is the relevant law. Nine Feb 2013 #249

That tells me nothing. Atman Feb 2013 #257

Hmm...We, the people...through our chosen representatives? jmg257 Feb 2013 #266

Now I know you are just playing with us. Nine Feb 2013 #291

Yes--that's it. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #259

ATMAN I am going to give you some friendly advice. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #255

Ive been here for more than a decade. Atman Feb 2013 #258

That is your choice. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #261

I can't believe this is such an issue! Atman Feb 2013 #269

Your terminology is incorrect. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #283

I also want you to be aware there are three different threads in META about you post right now. hrmjustin Feb 2013 #299

Make an example of you? You're embarrassing bettyellen Feb 2013 #281

ok bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #268

Creepy sdlcman Feb 2013 #270

they were giving the boys lap dances shanti Feb 2013 #273

I would if I were a 16 year old boy. Atman Feb 2013 #279

I don't think a nude woman endangers a 16-year-old boy LittleBlue Feb 2013 #274

A teen CHOOSING to sneak into a strip club for a "peek" is quite different FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #290

Some of them at least made it public in a way sir pball Feb 2013 #307

A 14 yr old girl may "love" having sex with her 27 (or 35 or 42) yr old boyfriend FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #318

A young girl being sexually exploited by a man 15 years her senior sir pball Feb 2013 #327

"the kids in the room intensely uncomfortable," what fuckin' right does an adult have to put a seabeyond Feb 2013 #331

And they were charged appropriately sir pball Feb 2013 #336

Yup! obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #342

Victoria's Secret models do not grind on the watcher's crotch. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #337

because one is a boy and one is a girl. and they are sexually SOOO much different. seabeyond Feb 2013 #340

That's an awful lot of conflation sir pball Feb 2013 #374

It is exactly the same thing obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #341

Not in 30 states. sir pball Feb 2013 #356

Except, as has been pointed out countless times, not all the kids were 16 FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #358

I think the internet has quite prepared them for this type of exposure LittleBlue Feb 2013 #346

What harm...? zaireeka Feb 2013 #359

Perfectly stated. n/t FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #366

And your daughter, going to a party where she is subjected to her peers recieving lap dances? FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #363

Depends what the statute considers danger. Deep13 Feb 2013 #275

AAAUUUGGGHHH! BOOBIES! Atman Feb 2013 #278

So you think there is no such law? Deep13 Feb 2013 #285

Why do you keep insinuating she only got arrested for 'boobies'? jmg257 Feb 2013 #287

So you're sure it was forced? No one could leave? Atman Feb 2013 #292

There you go again - IT WAS NOT "SEEING A NAKED WOMEN"! jmg257 Feb 2013 #296

How does a lap dance endanger a teenage boy? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #306

Well - let's see - it is 1)apparently illegal. jmg257 Feb 2013 #315

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #320

Persistent dumb ass at that..."16 year old young man saw a stripper". More then that though, right? jmg257 Feb 2013 #325

There was no nudity, yet you claim it is all about nudity. A crime is what the law says is a crime. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #334

I'll explain it to you again. We the people don't like it when other people's jmg257 Feb 2013 #305

How does superficial sexual contact endanger him? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #308

Not sure. Why don't you ask the parents who signed the compliants about THIER jmg257 Feb 2013 #311

Now you're a mindreader? Nine Feb 2013 #317

Stop dwelling on the "danger" part of the statute. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #335

Doesn't matter if it endangered him. It probably broke the law. onenote Feb 2013 #371

And I think anybody arguing against THAT charge is an underreactive idiot sir pball Feb 2013 #313

Agree. She will be lucky if all she gets is an endangerment charge. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #338

And if the boobies on display were those of a 16 year old girl onenote Feb 2013 #369

Hmmmm.... Taverner Feb 2013 #280

I think this might be more appropriate for this thread ... JoePhilly Feb 2013 #295

Ridiculous charge. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #304

Because YOU said so. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #339

this threads reminds me of the stupidity DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #309

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #344

Why does everyone object to this woman trying to earn a living? Orrex Feb 2013 #343

If this thread illustrates anything... Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #350

What your post illustrates is that you don't know what happened. It is not what they SAW. DevonRex Feb 2013 #357

I wrote... (cont) Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #362

Ice cream, Mandrake! Children's ice cream! kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #354

I went on an optional Saturday "cultural" field trip to SF's North Beach in the late 60s PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #355

Here's a picture the lapdance and one of "Mom" having sex on the beach... NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #360

If the stripper was displaying her body in a sexually stimulative way aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2013 #364

Reading through this thread ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #365

Maybe it isn't the best idea for a 16 yo to see a woman objectified so? pepperbear Feb 2013 #370

Message auto-removed time 4 me to fly Feb 2013 #372

Every child is different JuniperLea Feb 2013 #376