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In reply to the discussion: Walmart pressing felony charges against employee who ate ‘multiple’ Oreo cookies [View all]DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)136. Some apparent facts about the case that haven't appeared in the discussion...
...yet. Some information is in the article, some in the video associated with the article.
Disclaimer: I have no desire to change anybody's opinion of Walmart. The opinions so far expressed are very consistent with mine. I have three inviolable goals in life: 1.To never own a suit, 2.To never enter a Walmart, and 3. To never eat at McDonalds again (yeah, I screwed up in my youth).
As many people have pointed out on this thread, the truly tragic aspect is that too many people don't earn living wages, and this employee is just such a person. Ms. Winters has worked at Walmart for 15 years (7 in AZ, 8 in IN) as a 'maintenance' worker.
When confronted, Winters allegedly explained that she had been eating food from the Portage store and her previous job at an Arizona Walmart for years because she could not afford to pay. Winters provided Walmart with a voluntary statement form spelling out her transgressions.
So, she 'allegedly confessed' to being a 'repeat' offender, apparently without getting legal counsel (possibly because she was embarrassed by getting caught). No indication that she was not read her Miranda rights... Evidently her transgressions were all similar - chips, cookies, jerky - while she was working nights as a janitor.
The other part of the story is that Walmart has been and continues to be aggressively concerned about 'inventory shrinkage' - ie. shoplifting, by customers and employees. The company claims to be losing ~$3 billion per year. The widespread use of surveillance video is part of this campaign to reduce the loss. There are lots of articles on this topic - here's a random example: Shoplifting Is On The Rise At Wal-Mart
Industry wide, shoplifting rates have been in decline as retailers have implemented more security systems such as closed circuit TV and other anti-theft devices that are encoded into products. Even so, over the last few years, apparently, shoplifting is on the rise at Wal-Mart. So much so, that Wal-Mart has actually disclosed publicly that it is seeing an increase in shrinkage. No, not the kind George from Seinfeld experienced after swimming in cold water. Shrinkage is the industry term for inventory losses. Securities regulations require companies to alert shareholders to significant corporate developments that could affect the value of their holdings. Has inventory shrinkage become that bad at Wal-Mart?
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Many believe employee theft is on the rise. Several months back, Wal-Mart announced that they were changing the way employees were scheduled to accommodate peak shopping times. The concept also uses more part-time employees. While this sounds good for shoppers, it was not that good for employees. Rather than working a normal 8 hour shift, an employee may work only 4 hours to cover peak times on one day and/or maybe more hours on a Saturday to cover the busy weekend.
The end result that is being speculated is that employees are getting the shaft and are more prone to feel entitled to a free item or two when they leave the store for the day. If you were a full-time person who depending on what little pay you received and now it has been cut, you might feel entitled to pick up a few items. I am in no way condoning this, I am merely pointing out what may be happening.
The second reason is that has employees have become more discontent, they are more apt to NOT pursue other shoplifters. The general thought is that since the company does not care enough to treat me well, the heck with trying to stop that person who is stealing that item. Seriously, ask yourself, how many times have you seen someone walking out the door and the shoplifting detection system has gone off? I do not know about you, but I see it all the time. People just keep on walking and no one from Wal-Mart seems to care or check to see if a theft has just occurred.
The third reason is likely due to Wal-Mart cutting back on security. It has been widely reported that Wal-Mart has cut back on security when it went to the revised scheduling systems. With less people watching the front or back of the store, apparently, it must be easier to steal from Wal-Mart. The latest estimates put the Wal-Mart Inventory shrinkage at $3 billion a year. Yes, that is $3 billion with a B. When compared to the billions in sales Wal-Mart makes, the percentage is small, and again, is below industry norms. Still, $3 billion is a HUGE number. The question to ask, is it cheaper to hire staff to prevent shoplifting or is it cheaper to allow a certain percentage to occur as long as it remains at an acceptable level. That would be quite a study to undertake.
The final reason I believe shoplifting is on the rise is a decision Wal-Mart made to NOT prosecute smaller shoplifting claims. You may have seen the signs that say "we prosecute all shoplifters". This has often been used as a deterrent to say that no matter how small, we will prosecute all shoplifting offenses. Well, I guess that is no longer the case.
Around June of 2006, several media sources reported that Wal-mart had implemented a new shoplifting policy which in effect said that they would no longer prosecute anyone caught taking merchandise under $25. Previously, the policy was to prosecute anybody who took at $3 in goods. No doubt Wal-Mart would have liked to keep this new policy quite, but much like anything the big behemoth retailer does, sooner or later, it gets leaked.
Anyway, Ms. Winters' story is sad, but it does provide some cautionary details for anyone considering putting their hand in the cookie jar inappropriately.
The story also, of course, reinforces that fundamental principle of American business and justice:
Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you king.
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Walmart pressing felony charges against employee who ate ‘multiple’ Oreo cookies [View all]
phantom power
Feb 2013
OP
A few oreo cookies will sustain a person alot longer than a head of lettuce considering there is far
Ed Suspicious
Feb 2013
#86
So if I am broke and hungry I can go to the bakery and suck the jelly out of all the jelly donuts
Jersey Devil
Feb 2013
#100
“Poverty is the worst form of violence.” Some smart dude in India said that.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#105
When one doesn't get paid well enough to pay bills and eat one must do what they must to survive
Arcanetrance
Feb 2013
#45
Cookies are easy to steal compared to many other items of better nutritional value
Arcanetrance
Feb 2013
#51
But that's my problem we are letting certain groups of people steal without penalty.
Arcanetrance
Feb 2013
#90
No employer anywhere no matter how much they pay in wages would turn the other way
Jersey Devil
Feb 2013
#85
Criminal prosecution is almost universal for employers who catch employees stealing
Jersey Devil
Feb 2013
#117
Stealing isn't right but as our country has proven stealing isn't stealing
Arcanetrance
Feb 2013
#63
I wouldn't like it but I can safely assure you I wouldn't ruin their life over it.
Ed Suspicious
Feb 2013
#182
I would wager that every person ever caught stealing food said they were hungry
Jersey Devil
Feb 2013
#98
The message isn't working. Better wages and benefits work MUCH better at reducing shrinkage.
PA Democrat
Feb 2013
#110
I've never made any such assertion. I simply stated that if reducing shrinkage is the goal
PA Democrat
Feb 2013
#120
Paying for the bag of cookies and being fired would send the message just as clearly.
Gormy Cuss
Feb 2013
#165
Costco's business model has a proven track record. It's not a fluke. Read the article.
PA Democrat
Feb 2013
#118
I once prosecuted a guy who shoplifted a flounder he hid in his undershorts
Jersey Devil
Feb 2013
#72
The OP was about WM. Do you have an issue with that or just theft in general?
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#112
Because Wal-Mart routinely STEALS from their employees by forcing them to work unpaid overtime
PA Democrat
Feb 2013
#170
It is indicative of just how bad things are for those at the lower end of the income spectrum.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#143
If they are paying them shit wages, they should expect petty theft as a consequence
Major Nikon
Feb 2013
#140
Jaysus Key-rist. They commit fraud, conspiracy and cover-ups in my community
Baitball Blogger
Feb 2013
#2
All it means is that the fine can be greater than a given amount, or the jail term can be a year
Recursion
Feb 2013
#19
private prisons are the reason - in order to get a private prison to take over your state's prison
leftyohiolib
Feb 2013
#13
i just heard of a story about a child in kindergarden being arrested for throwing a tantrum
leftyohiolib
Feb 2013
#18
That's harsh. There should be a penalty for stealing merchandise, but jail time
TwilightGardener
Feb 2013
#5
In the article it says she admitted to stealing from Walmart for years
TexasBushwhacker
Feb 2013
#199
What kind of laws do they have in that state? Unless she stole something more
appleannie1
Feb 2013
#10
An attorney would have told her to say nothing. But, while she may have thought that she was
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#179
Agreed. I don't this this federalist system is working very well these days.
Sekhmets Daughter
Feb 2013
#208
And I was in management at a big box store 10 years ago and was making less than 10 an hour
sweetloukillbot
Feb 2013
#233
That's what happened to a family friend who ripped off a Wal-mart for about 10 grand...
Blue_Tires
Feb 2013
#180
I wonder if they call a Walmart Asset Protection Manager a WAPman, and if not why not? n/t
Bossy Monkey
Feb 2013
#132
Some apparent facts about the case that haven't appeared in the discussion...
DreamGypsy
Feb 2013
#136
The gist of many of the arguments made in this thread seems to be that.........
OceanEcosystem
Feb 2013
#139
I wouldn't convict her of theft for eating a cookie, ever. It's absurd and abusive.
reformist2
Feb 2013
#146
I wonder how many of those here in this thread saying, "Yes, it's stealing! Punish it severely!"
Squinch
Feb 2013
#190
How surprising. DU's own gang of right-wing authoritarians here to defend this week's Javert.
backscatter712
Feb 2013
#236
For me, it's that the punishment should fit the crime. IMO, this is total overkill.
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#149
I don't give a shit about that. I just feel for this woman. Walmart can go fuck itself.
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#153
interesting that they bothered to review surveillance video over an open bag of cookies. I worked
Liberal_in_LA
Feb 2013
#197
Walmart's business model -- underpaid workers on food stamps -- is a form of freeriding, i.e. theft
leveymg
Feb 2013
#211
Great. Not only do we subsidize their workers with food stamps ...now we get to pay to have them...
L0oniX
Feb 2013
#232
Indiana Walmart Employee Admits To Stealing A Pack Of Oreos A Week For Four Years
hack89
Feb 2013
#241