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GoneOffShore

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112. We lost the "War On Terror" with the passage of the "Patriot(sic) Act"

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:42 PM

Feb 2013

The terrorists have achieved their goal of making it more expensive, more inconvenient, more annoying and more difficult to travel.

We now have a "Constitution Free Zone (TM)" within one hundred miles of our borders. Air, land and sea. Anyone, and that means YOU, can be stopped anytime, for no reason by the CBP and/or the TSA (who now want to get their grubby little blue gloves all over your carry-on TRAIN and BUS baggage and on commuter rail) "out of an abundance of caution". No warrant, no nothing - "Pull over and we're going to search your car, baggage, person." And they don't even have to give a reason.

The TSA hasn't stopped "terrorists on aircraft", reinforced, locked cockpit doors and heightened passenger awareness have. The TSA clerks (they're not "officers" BTW despite their self styled titles) confiscate snow globes, breast milk and yogurt and make believe that they are a first line defense. It's security theatre and a money eating boon doggle and is getting Americans used to the security/surveillance state.

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'I don't want to go to Disney World anymore': Parents' fury as TSA agents detain their crying [View all] Tony_FLADEM Feb 2013 OP

This going to far newfie11 Feb 2013 #1

This going to far AlbertCat Feb 2013 #93

TSA agents have no sense siligut Feb 2013 #2

If Obama wanted to do something about this, he could choose to do so. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #158

Another person with an agenda and a camera just happened to be there. graham4anything Feb 2013 #3

Yes, because cell phones with video recording capability are such a rarity these days. bullwinkle428 Feb 2013 #8

Hey! There's our resident authoritarian! Earth_First Feb 2013 #9

A billion people & 4 have gone through airports...4 make complaints with cameras graham4anything Feb 2013 #15

You also support red light cameras, blanket CCTV and drone technology... Earth_First Feb 2013 #16

Benjamin Franklin said "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". graham4anything Feb 2013 #19

you really think frisking a crying little girl in a wheelchair would have prevented this? bowens43 Feb 2013 #22

I don't think you have any clue what Franklin meant. Bake Feb 2013 #23

how dripping ironic this is- graham4anything Feb 2013 #28

Going to the airport is a luxury noiretextatique Feb 2013 #67

What happened on 9-11 could happen AT a checkpoint. GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #119

Franklin also said Drale Feb 2013 #30

Not letting a terrorist on a plane is permanent security. graham4anything Feb 2013 #33

Because a three year old disabled girl with her family Drale Feb 2013 #38

Bad people have planted bad things on kids and on or in objects graham4anything Feb 2013 #49

This is a joke right? Drale Feb 2013 #61

I have to say, I'm with you on this deal. The girl cried...well, gosh amighty. I do believe that... BlueJazz Feb 2013 #70

Really? Can you cite any instances in this country? notadmblnd Feb 2013 #108

Theres no reason to swab anything for bombs Union Label Feb 2013 #145

Oh for heaven's sake Aerows Feb 2013 #150

The more important fact is-SINCE 9-11, NO PLANE HAS EXPLODED. graham4anything Feb 2013 #163

Also "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" Drale Feb 2013 #65

Ah, NO. Being free means having NOTHING. With responsiblity comes SOMETHING graham4anything Feb 2013 #114

Name a single terrorist the TSA has intercepted using these measures n/t markpkessinger Feb 2013 #75

That's a question that can never be answered because...it's a red herring question. graham4anything Feb 2013 #78

May I use your answer sarisataka Feb 2013 #80

If you are talking about law enforcement stopping crimes, sure. HOWEVER- graham4anything Feb 2013 #87

Though I am not personally a fan sarisataka Feb 2013 #90

However, someone seeing a person NOT a cop, with a gun, can have a heart attack graham4anything Feb 2013 #100

I would venture the number of heart attacks sarisataka Feb 2013 #107

And can you guess what the one thing the TSA has never prevented from getting on a plane? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #86

We lost the "War On Terror" with the passage of the "Patriot(sic) Act" GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #112

My thoughts exactly. n/t backscatter712 Feb 2013 #51

He also said that those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #32

Bush probably said that as well. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #156

Benjamin Franklin also said "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."nt Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #36

Franklin also said Warpy Feb 2013 #60

YOu can't pick and choose a quote. All of Franklin's quotes apply to stopping terrorists graham4anything Feb 2013 #72

I'm sorry you live your life so frightened by imaginary terrorists. Warpy Feb 2013 #73

Custard cried for a nice safe cage. nt alphafemale Feb 2013 #111

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #140

The same Franklin who said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary EOTE Feb 2013 #64

Benjamin Franklin also said: raging_moderate Feb 2013 #81

What Franklin meant by his "if they can keep it" statement was NOT ET Awful Feb 2013 #98

He also said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,... X_Digger Feb 2013 #99

Franklin also said that those who would give up their liberties to attain temporary safety Arkana Feb 2013 #109

But Ben Franklin didn't say... Captain Stern Feb 2013 #126

Yes he is a marked man Bay Boy Feb 2013 #84

And 'stop and frisk', searches at state borders, etc etc.. X_Digger Feb 2013 #95

That's because we have always been at war with Eastasia, citizen. GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #113

"She don't mind?" Bake Feb 2013 #20

You do not speak for me, therefore you statement "the rest of us do" is faux. graham4anything Feb 2013 #41

some lady got drugs implanted in her okieinpain Feb 2013 #42

Yes, 4 people have made complaints with cameras. EOTE Feb 2013 #58

Please list the number of bombs and terrorists TSA has caught. Send me a link. n-t Logical Feb 2013 #135

All of the laws and procedures in place on September 10, 2001 musette_sf Feb 2013 #153

Hey sporto, looks like the TSA apologized. Your turn. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #155

The little girl works for Ralph Nader, Her evil agenda is obvious, cut the G a little Dragonfli Feb 2013 #44

Edit That Name out of your post...it drives G4A nuts DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #157

No intrusion is too big sarisataka Feb 2013 #55

This is a disgusting post. nt Romulox Feb 2013 #27

A disgusting post from a heartless authoritarian. n/t backscatter712 Feb 2013 #35

By all means, keep blaming the victim. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #40

Didn't you say the same thing about RagingInMiami? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #52

I have no doubt you feel compelled to attribute an ill-defined agenda to the mother LanternWaste Feb 2013 #128

Sounds like the TSA agent never touched the child and the parents freaked, anyway. leveymg Feb 2013 #4

Seems to me like the child was upset at their stuffed toy not being returned... Earth_First Feb 2013 #14

Really - a 3 y/o's wheelchair, in attendance with family, might have explosives? Hestia Feb 2013 #25

um, THIS universe. If I were a terrorist and I knew that TSA agents were giving a pass to-- Moonwalk Feb 2013 #105

In a universe where someone else has put them there... jberryhill Feb 2013 #142

Another victim-blamer. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #47

how many terrorists Marblehead Feb 2013 #5

Nice of you to ask ....... hedgehog Feb 2013 #17

But very few if any of those objects Drale Feb 2013 #50

Yeah! Because minimum wage workers are the scum of the Earth! Bay Boy Feb 2013 #89

No but the more you pay someone Drale Feb 2013 #92

Mock one set of government employees by denigrating another set - hedgehog Feb 2013 #146

LOL, finding a gun, knife, weapon does not mean discovering a terrorist. What a reach! n-t Logical Feb 2013 #136

What's sad is watching the TSA agents ask an elderly person in a wheelchair geek tragedy Feb 2013 #6

+1. My mom's had a stroke. She uses a rolling walker, more for balance than support. winter is coming Feb 2013 #26

Would be nice to see Disney comp them their trip. RedSpartan Feb 2013 #7

Did I just see "disney" and "comp" in the same sentence? Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #122

"It's illegal to do that" -No, it isn't. Earth_First Feb 2013 #10

Too many people take the word of someone in a uniform? That's my guess. n/t X_Digger Feb 2013 #104

Sounds like the mother was trying to create an incident treestar Feb 2013 #11

Yeah, it was all a plot to make TSA look like stupid thugs. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #12

Some people need attention treestar Feb 2013 #13

And some people just want to go on their way without unnecessary hassles. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #24

Well if not you, I've seen plenty of posts treestar Feb 2013 #166

Some little children need their stuffed animal back obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #31

Because security insures that won't happen. graham4anything Feb 2013 #54

your brand of paranoia noiretextatique Feb 2013 #68

Another disgusting post. nt Romulox Feb 2013 #29

The courts have maintained that recording of law enforcement activity is NOT illegal davidn3600 Feb 2013 #46

I know, how dare she challenge authorities while they bully her child. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #57

How about comforting the child instead of standing back with a camera? jberryhill Feb 2013 #143

This parent disagrees with you DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #162

What specifically leads you to that conclusion? LanternWaste Feb 2013 #129

This part treestar Feb 2013 #165

What led you to this most impressive theory? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #159

Another reminder why it is so unpleasant to fly these days. avaistheone1 Feb 2013 #18

The TSA has issued an apology Sherman A1 Feb 2013 #21

If the TSA was genuinely regretful over the incident, the agency should fire the individuals. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #160

Not to detract from the outrageousness of the incident, but isn't three a little young Cleita Feb 2013 #34

My husband and I took my 2 and 3 year old daughters to Disney World 5 years ago. Jennicut Feb 2013 #74

She will probably cry again when she finds out Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #91

I was flying out of Boston ellie Feb 2013 #37

Is a second opinion needed? Bay Boy Feb 2013 #94

Hee hee ellie Feb 2013 #133

Yippee! Bay Boy Feb 2013 #138

Damn, I feel safer already! Taverner Feb 2013 #39

Daily Mail and mostly bullshit. The TSA agent was wrong about the recording but cali Feb 2013 #43

What's almost amazing as the TSA's thuggery are some of the responses on this thread. MadHound Feb 2013 #45

Not trusting the Daily Mail? How stupid. cali Feb 2013 #53

This a better source? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #66

Well, is this a more acceptable source for you? MadHound Feb 2013 #69

a legion of paranoid freaks noiretextatique Feb 2013 #71

Couldn't agree more! n/t MindPilot Feb 2013 #88

Wow, I'm so glad the TSA heroes stopped this three-year-old disabled terrorist! backscatter712 Feb 2013 #48

All this shit for Politicalboi Feb 2013 #56

This is really very simple... Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #59

+1 (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #79

Fair enough, I choose... sarisataka Feb 2013 #83

Me as well Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #101

Fucking A. n/t X_Digger Feb 2013 #106

Thank god we have the TSA there to protect us! hughee99 Feb 2013 #62

You had me going there for a minute. GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #116

After I wrote it, I figured hughee99 Feb 2013 #117

I got one sentence in and realized where you were going. GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #118

Wheelchairs and Scooters - Travelers with Disabilities and Medical Conditions FarCenter Feb 2013 #63

What's the solution? Do away with all TSA checks? Or only certain profiles? Nine Feb 2013 #76

Honey, we are going to go on an airplane MindPilot Feb 2013 #82

I didn't see any of that on the video. (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #103

Some children's books may help... backscatter712 Feb 2013 #125

The child did not receive a pat-down, much less a cavity search. (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #139

Ooh, the TSA was being magnanimous in their bullying. n/t backscatter712 Feb 2013 #141

Do you realize that airport screeners do not set TSA policy? Nine Feb 2013 #148

If your job is violating the liberty and dignity of thousands of people every day, FUCK YOUR JOB. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #149

Glad to know where you stand. Nine Feb 2013 #151

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #161

Freedom and liberty are NOTHING to the 3000 people who died on 9-11. graham4anything Feb 2013 #164

I think you stated the situation correctly. randome Feb 2013 #120

GET RID OF THE TSA derby378 Feb 2013 #137

Here's a blogpost I wrote a couple of years ago . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #77

I for one feel much safer now that we are patting down wheel-chair bound little girls. Kurska Feb 2013 #85

Has all this TSA BS JEB Feb 2013 #96

Again, if this shit is allowed to happen... the Terrorists have clearly fucking WON. AzDar Feb 2013 #97

It's not a war on terror it's a war on personal freedoms. Initech Feb 2013 #102

Extra screening can lead to missed flights, etc.... deurbano Feb 2013 #110

My friend's 91 year old mom nearly caused a riot refusing to remove her shoes Jersey Devil Feb 2013 #115

Subhuman assholes. lpbk2713 Feb 2013 #121

A-fucking-men! backscatter712 Feb 2013 #124

I've always wanted to visit Ireland. Brigid Feb 2013 #123

if you already use Google Street View please disregard this post green for victory Feb 2013 #130

This is too cool! Brigid Feb 2013 #132

Smaller airports aren't immune to this HockeyMom Feb 2013 #127

In 2008 at the Nashville airport, my wheelchair-bound wife, age 73, was subject to a grueling indepat Feb 2013 #131

TSA security is a JOKE! Worthless. Not useful and a waste of time and money. n-t Logical Feb 2013 #134

You need to remember the true purpose of the TSA's dog-and-pony show. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #144

Great Points! +1 Logical Feb 2013 #147

Yes, Yes! railsback Feb 2013 #152

By "Alla" I assume you mean "Allah?" KansDem Feb 2013 #154