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In reply to the discussion: The Clinton-Bush Fund has closed up shop in Haiti: Here are the fruits of neoliberal "charity" [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)4. The 1-Percent at Work.
Aristide told me the Generals ran Dope, Inc. on Haiti. Personally.
Posted by Octafish in General Discussion (Through 2005)
Sat Mar 20th 2004, 07:49 PM
Sorry if the following is an old read. The thing held true then and holds true still
I met Jean Bertrand-Aristide after he was deposed by the generals in the early 90s. He came to metro Detroit and spoke before the Cranbrook Peace Foundation.
The newspaper I then worked for didnt see any reason for sending me to cover Aristides speech. The editors werent BFEE, but the events on a Caribbean island just werent local enough for their budget. So, I went on my own time.
The Cranbrook people were happy to see me. They wanted, of course, as much coverage as possible. So, they invited me and the other interested reporter types to have at him for an hour before his address.
Im ashamed to report, at an important event in two nations larger media market, only a couple of CBC radio reporters out of Windsor and one local Detroit TV crew bothered to show. I was the lone print guy. Anyway
Aristide answered every question asked in English or French. He also told us about life in Haiti, where there were four doctors to care for 4 million people. Another interesting stat: One percent of the population own 99-percent of the property.
I asked Aristide what the United States could do to help him restore democracy to Haiti? Aristide said all Poppy Doc Bush had to do was pick up the phone, call the generals and say, Get out, and they would quit their coup and the first democratically elected leader of Haiti in 75 years would be returned to power. Bush didn't and Aristide wasn't until Clinton sent the US Marines, many years and many Haitian lives later.
The reason for Bush Senior's inaction? Aristide said he didnt know the answer, but he suspected Bushs politics favored the landowners over the masses. (Sounds familiar, I then thought and still think today.)
Aristide said that the generals were deep into the wholesale cocaine importation business. Now who would be their partner in all that? Besides the wealthy landowners, for whom the Generals worked, I mean.
Original: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/785
Posted by Octafish in General Discussion (Through 2005)
Sat Mar 20th 2004, 07:49 PM
Sorry if the following is an old read. The thing held true then and holds true still
I met Jean Bertrand-Aristide after he was deposed by the generals in the early 90s. He came to metro Detroit and spoke before the Cranbrook Peace Foundation.
The newspaper I then worked for didnt see any reason for sending me to cover Aristides speech. The editors werent BFEE, but the events on a Caribbean island just werent local enough for their budget. So, I went on my own time.
The Cranbrook people were happy to see me. They wanted, of course, as much coverage as possible. So, they invited me and the other interested reporter types to have at him for an hour before his address.
Im ashamed to report, at an important event in two nations larger media market, only a couple of CBC radio reporters out of Windsor and one local Detroit TV crew bothered to show. I was the lone print guy. Anyway
Aristide answered every question asked in English or French. He also told us about life in Haiti, where there were four doctors to care for 4 million people. Another interesting stat: One percent of the population own 99-percent of the property.
I asked Aristide what the United States could do to help him restore democracy to Haiti? Aristide said all Poppy Doc Bush had to do was pick up the phone, call the generals and say, Get out, and they would quit their coup and the first democratically elected leader of Haiti in 75 years would be returned to power. Bush didn't and Aristide wasn't until Clinton sent the US Marines, many years and many Haitian lives later.
The reason for Bush Senior's inaction? Aristide said he didnt know the answer, but he suspected Bushs politics favored the landowners over the masses. (Sounds familiar, I then thought and still think today.)
Aristide said that the generals were deep into the wholesale cocaine importation business. Now who would be their partner in all that? Besides the wealthy landowners, for whom the Generals worked, I mean.
Original: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/785
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The Clinton-Bush Fund has closed up shop in Haiti: Here are the fruits of neoliberal "charity" [View all]
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
OP
Criticizing what fundraisers call a 'charity' is not "attacking" any individual. nt
redqueen
Feb 2013
#9
Sean Penn took money from this charity. Should he give back the 1.35 million?
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#15
Rebuilding homes is infrastructure. Small business is infrastructure. Some projects build roads and
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#22
Well now, isn't that exactly what we should be doing right now in the USA?
xtraxritical
Feb 2013
#36
The fund stated from the start it wasn't going to do disaster relief, but long term
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#11
The stated purpose of the fund, from the start, was long term financial, and not disaster
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#5
OP and their cohorts are not interested in the truth. They have an agenda and are going to twist
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#53
They got a 1.35 million grant from Clinton/Bush. Should they have given it back?
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#12
Why should they? I simply pointed out where my direct support goes and where people who
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#95
Should Sean Penn give back the money he got from this fund for Haitian relief?
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#13
Sean Penn took money from this charity. Should he give back the 1.35 million? nt
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#23
Sean Penn founded a charity the poster says is a better example. That entity took money
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#37
This is 2013 - got anything current? Two year old news, and maybe not even true any more.
George II
Feb 2013
#89
Corruption takes many forms, and if the United States seems like it has less of it than many
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#28
"It does nothing of value, and convinces some people that capitalism must be alright after all."
redqueen
Feb 2013
#71
yeah, it's all the haitians' fault. what could we do, they're so corrupt... that's the ticket.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#35
Travesty in Haiti: Christian missions, orphanages, fraud, food aid and drug trafficking
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#33
What a disgusting post. Bashing Clinton because a charity distributing $54 million wasn't enough
FSogol
Feb 2013
#34
well, haitians can get mortgages, loans and insurance now!!!!! progress!!!!!
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#58
The money was used to do what the stated objective for raising the money in the first place
George II
Feb 2013
#91
well, merck to my knowledge didn't get it; a health clinic with a partnership with another
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#44
yeah, we're spozed to believe that clinton/bush told us from the get-go that they were gonna
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#61
i'm totally on-board with the idea that smaller groups who actually care about the project
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#56
For people like them, charity begins at home and in the long run, stays there
MotherPetrie
Feb 2013
#54
So brown folks shouldn't have mortgages, business opportunities, or computers for schools?
michigandem58
Feb 2013
#62
yes, well, see how much use all that is when 1) they have no jobs, so no income -- & 3/4
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#65
So in this country, you will oppose publicly funded cancer screenings, small business assistance,
michigandem58
Feb 2013
#70
my guess is that this kind of orwellian denial is the reason no one trusts politicians
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#98
You can't build homes without money, and that $47M would go far to build homes......
George II
Feb 2013
#104
Disaster Capitalism is it's own disaster. The money should go directly to the people
mountain grammy
Feb 2013
#102
All they had to do was get clean water, cement, tools, and a few heavy eqpuipment pieces there and
kelliekat44
Feb 2013
#106
that's what's so sad about it. donations could have allowed ordinary people to get some work,
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#109
Great thread. Very informative. DU could use more thought provoking threads like this.
limpyhobbler
Feb 2013
#108
in a way it's kind of cute how you are defending The Chimperor's reputation of honesty & good work.
Whisp
Feb 2013
#115
the haitian government exists because of US support. The us could withdraw that support &
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#112