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TalkingDog

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75. Actually quite the opposite. My mother had bouts of paranoid schizophrenia and BPD.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 11:58 AM
Jan 2012

She was, at times, a very scary lady to live with.

You seemed to have missed my point. I don't think seeing a psychologist will "restore" anything.

I'll say it again, slowly and with smaller words so it's easier to understand. (if that snark hurts your feelings, deal with it):

Most adults learn how to cope with rude or unthinking people as they come to maturity. They learn that people have bad days and say things off the cuff. They learn that some people use humor to deflect hurt. Sometimes the humor is not always the good kind. They learn that other people grew up in houses where ribbing (from the gentle kind to the very rude and hurtful kind) was an everyday occurrence and the people who grew up that way expect others to be the same way or to have developed the necessary thick skin.

In other words, they learn that in the larger scheme of trying to live and survive that a few mis-spoken words generally don't mean a hell of a lot.

Instead they prefer to be generous (instead of overly sensitive, whining, and controlling) and give people the benefit of the doubt. Barring that, even if they don't feel generous, they learn that they can give people a fucking break on a fairly regular basis and their world and their person-hood remains intact.

If the barrage of rudeness or insensitivity becomes constant or if they are having a bad day and don't feel like being polite enough to ignore it, mature adults know that they can make others aware of the problem in a timely and appropriate manner. In many cases the offending person will apologize, because they had not realized their misstep. Even if this does not occur, the mature adult will know they have taken steps to maintain their sense of self worth and dignity.

And mature adults know that co-dependent behavior, like having another person step in and "defend" them robs them of their person-hood and does not allow them to develop their own coping skills. So the mature adult will avoid letting people "take up for them", preferring to fight their own battles.

If you haven't developed any or all of these coping skills, or if as a grown adult, you have not matured to the point where seeing this point of view is even possible, then you may need assessment by a trained professional (aka psychologist) because this more nuanced understanding of others and self is a fairly normal part of becoming an adult. A psychologist can assist in developing some cognitive strategies to deal with rude or insensitive people.

That's all I'm saying. And in case you haven't realized, this information in this post was not directed at the OP or the snarky person you berated.

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I don't know if there is a "best" jberryhill Jan 2012 #1
Hate crimes become hate crimes because of the addition of hate speech, right? MerryBlooms Jan 2012 #2
But that is considered a factor in the intent of the hate crime, not the speech itself. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #5
Speech can definitely be a mitigating factor. MerryBlooms Jan 2012 #30
Intent Sgent Jan 2012 #86
Yes. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #3
Only if I get to decide what is hate speech. FreeJoe Jan 2012 #4
It is a slippery slope JitterbugPerfume Jan 2012 #6
Normally the courts, as with all speech NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #17
We assassinated American citizens for their al Qaeda supporting web site. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #7
At set it as an extreme... BrentWil Jan 2012 #10
Pass the popcorn Hugabear Jan 2012 #8
I enjoy my threads... BrentWil Jan 2012 #12
I enjoy my threads as well. I've got this one t-shirt that's like 35 years old... HopeHoops Jan 2012 #16
I think the real cure for hate is knowledge, thus the founders had wisdom. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2012 #9
THIS ^^^^^ (well said!) Moostache Jan 2012 #13
Yes, of course. cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #11
No Constitutional expert here, but it's obviously a much debated and fluid set of standards. pinto Jan 2012 #14
Unless it includes a direct threat, then yes, it should be allowed. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #15
you can be verbally assaulted- words do have power Bluerthanblue Jan 2012 #18
That's a pretty stupid and unenforcable idea... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #21
That was hurtful dems_rightnow Jan 2012 #22
Good lord... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #25
verbal abuse can result Bluerthanblue Jan 2012 #46
Because children on the receiving end of abuse internalize it. TalkingDog Jan 2012 #49
If you can really believe that becoming an "adult" Bluerthanblue Jan 2012 #53
Actually quite the opposite. My mother had bouts of paranoid schizophrenia and BPD. TalkingDog Jan 2012 #75
Oh and ... really Sigmund Freud? Really? TalkingDog Jan 2012 #77
That is absolutely untrue... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #50
some people think a picture of a naked boob on the internet is an "assault" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #34
a picture of someones breast on the internet isn't Bluerthanblue Jan 2012 #47
Touching and spitting on are not speech, in fact can technically be considered assault Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #48
I didn't make the point I was trying to very well- Bluerthanblue Jan 2012 #58
Okay, but for one, that is not just difficult, it's basically impossible to determine. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #59
a decent definition of what Bluerthanblue Jan 2012 #60
How do you determine intent behind what someone says? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #68
Perfect Illustration of the Slippery Slope Argument Against. Terry_M Jan 2012 #38
I'm pretty much a free speech absolutist. Xithras Jan 2012 #19
oh? provis99 Jan 2012 #39
Supreme Court has already settled this: You can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. TalkingDog Jan 2012 #52
Do you support the Citizen United Decision, then? BrentWil Jan 2012 #55
No more limitations, thanks. X_Digger Jan 2012 #20
I agree. What is your thoughts on Citizens United? BrentWil Jan 2012 #56
I'm ambivalent, to tell the truth. X_Digger Jan 2012 #61
can you yell mzteris Jan 2012 #23
The Supreme Court has pretty much nullified the 'fighting words' objection to speech Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #26
I didn't say "piss people off" mzteris Jan 2012 #29
making a direct threat isnt protected. Being a bigot is protected. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #33
Yes, you can yell fire in a crowded theater Viking12 Jan 2012 #31
Of course you can yell fire in a crowded theater. NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author X_Digger Jan 2012 #62
Judith Butler's Excitable Speech: The Politics of the Performative is instructive re: hate speech tishaLA Jan 2012 #24
The 1st Amendment protects the speech of bigots, assholes and shitheads, too Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #27
Popular speech needs no protection- by it's very nature. n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #64
IMO society has the right not to tolerate the intolerant. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #28
But SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2012 #37
Who decides what constitutes 'intolerant' RZM Jan 2012 #63
Your speech is intolerant if it terrorizes another group of people, AKA, Hate Speech. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #70
It's hard enough to come up with a definition of 'terrorism' RZM Jan 2012 #72
So anything that frightens people can be banned? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #78
Agree 100% n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2012 #82
Gee we can't determine acceptable words here - see the meta discussions Broderick Jan 2012 #32
If we were to ban "hate speech" outright, all we would succeed in doing is . . . markpkessinger Jan 2012 #35
+1 Far better to have it in the open where it can be confronted for what it is. Yup. BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #79
Very good question and I may be flamed for this... Honestly. IF you want Freedom of Speech REAL Justice wanted Jan 2012 #36
I actually think most people here agree with that assessment. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #40
Voltaire didn't say it (one of his biographers did)- but it does summarize his position nicely. X_Digger Jan 2012 #66
Thank you. I always thought he said that. Justice wanted Jan 2012 #81
Isn't that ProSense Jan 2012 #41
I like our system, but I respect the right of other nations to do differently Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #42
Putting someone in jail for their words is ludicrous. MrSlayer Jan 2012 #44
Yes. And jail time for speech alone is abhorrent. NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #45
How anyone who posts on a political bulletin board former9thward Jan 2012 #51
Someone is suggesting that? BrentWil Jan 2012 #57
You want it discussed. former9thward Jan 2012 #67
Yes... BrentWil Jan 2012 #85
I wouldn't want to empower the state to define the difference between Free Speech and Hate Speech Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #54
Yes, in my opinion, free speech should include hate speech. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #65
Yes with the exception of death threats or calling for or encouraging the death of someone NotThisTime Jan 2012 #69
YES. Iggo Jan 2012 #71
Yes it should Marrah_G Jan 2012 #73
USA! USA! USA! We are the best!!!! Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #74
"Hate speech" is primarily a euphemism for "Free speech I want to see banned". Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #76
The German laws banning Holocaust denial are ill-conceived, in my opinion. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #80
Rick Santorum is elected President justiceischeap Jan 2012 #83
Free speech should always be protected Terra Alta Jan 2012 #84
Reluctantly, I would say yes. Jack Sprat Jan 2012 #87
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