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Demo_Chris

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115. The killer here is the MESSAGE. Even Obama thinks we need to cut SS.

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:00 AM

Feb 2013

It's bipartisan, both parties agree that baby needs to be chainsawed, everyone -- or all the responsible adults anyway -- agrees that social security needs to be cut. So now the only question is how much and how soon.

The elite are banking on the greed of today's seniors to make this a reality. They believe that a good many seniors don't CARE what happens to their kids and grandkids so long as they get paid today. They believe this because, if history is any indication, it's pretty much true. That's what the elite are banking on.

But I say this. If we are going to destroy it, then let's just freaking destroy it. None of this BS where only future recipients get shafted. I think we have fucked the future enough already. If we are gonna push the plunger and demolish it, do it now. Immediately. Stop collecting my money, stop sending out checks, and we can all share the misery together. Let's do that and see how long it takes before every one of these bastards is recalled, and we finally get our priorities straight in this country.

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Once again, Obama offers to cut Social Security [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 OP

K&R Imagine the outrage if BUSH were suggesting this MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #1

I feel twice the outrage toward Obama for repeatedly suggesting this iemitsu Feb 2013 #25

That's exactly how I feel. You EXPECT betrayal from the likes of Bush. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #44

A Republican can never "betray" a liberal. Only Democrats, who pretend to be a friend, can BETRAY MNBrewer Feb 2013 #57

That's how I feel. 840high Feb 2013 #49

+1000 Generic Other Feb 2013 #95

Is there a diffrent word than cut or slash to define the process now? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #244

Psssst! Do you think maybe Pres O keeps offering to cut SS bcuz he knows these TheDebbieDee Feb 2013 #204

No MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #205

Then you haven't been paying attention in the past 4+ years. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #276

Oh, yes, I have. I've never seen Obama be anything but serious with Repugs. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #277

Do you know what's wishful thinking? BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #278

So you would support the Chained (excuse me, Superlative) CPI if Bush proposed it during his MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #279

Again, BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #283

And I don't - repeat don't, as in DO NOT - trust the founder of the Catfood Commission. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #286

Transparent manufactured outrage Sheepshank Feb 2013 #295

SS is not "scheduled to run out in 2033" unless youre predicting 20 more yrs of recession FogerRox Feb 2013 #290

YES! That is what he did in the Fiscal Cliff negotiations that made us view him with such Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #237

that is what I think we are seeing here too. putitinD Feb 2013 #245

Ugh. cui bono Feb 2013 #246

Really? Then how come at the end of the fiscal cliff negotiations we got the tax increases Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #273

So Obama's Catfood Commission, with Simpson trashing retirees dependent on SS, MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #258

A sickness that will only be fatal to the elderly and vulnerable. forestpath Feb 2013 #2

I followed all the links and I saw no references to "chained cpi"? xtraxritical Feb 2013 #59

"Chained CPI"="Superlative CPI" MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #67

"With protections for vulnerable" jberryhill Feb 2013 #3

How many people living only on SS AREN'T vulnerable? forestpath Feb 2013 #4

Agree. That is exactly why more fortunate people should get less out of the system when they bluestate10 Feb 2013 #8

What does "more fortunate" mean? An extra can of beans? forestpath Feb 2013 #10

Not all retired people on Social Security... cheapdate Feb 2013 #31

and 2/3 of them rely on SS for 50% or more of their total income. 1/3 rely on SS for 90% or HiPointDem Feb 2013 #52

I have no doubt that your statistics are accurate. cheapdate Feb 2013 #58

yes, maybe 1% of the top 1/3 of recipients. whose maximum benefit, like everyone else's, is HiPointDem Feb 2013 #69

I call pure bullshit. My current benefit will be $3600 per month and I still have many bluestate10 Feb 2013 #88

maybe you should take a look at the SS website. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #108

Facts are bullshit. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #119

No. I know that letters that I get are facts. The figure gave seems pulled out of the air. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #160

$2,513, it seems MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #165

apparently. even linking to the SS website doesn't dissuade the poster. people used to be ashamed HiPointDem Feb 2013 #173

You should determine between median amounts and person dependent amounts. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #161

that's an estimation of your *future* benefit, with estimated inflation adjustments wrapped into it. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #172

the SS website clearly states what the current maximum benefit is. that you choose to continue HiPointDem Feb 2013 #177

Do you still get a summary every year? I thought they stopped sending those a few years back. kath Feb 2013 #143

I got a summary last year or the year before. My benefit then was already over 3 thousand bluestate10 Feb 2013 #162

According to the ss website, max. at full retirement age is about $2400 per month Progressive dog Feb 2013 #243

Then there would be no cut or "savings". TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #51

+10000 woo me with science Feb 2013 #138

Wrong, there would be savings. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #163

In Voodoo mathematics land. The wealthy people don't exist in enough numbers nor pay out enough TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #217

Only after she gets less money for a decade or so. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #5

Are you quoting verbatim. jberryhill Feb 2013 #7

Perhaps you should read up on Obama's plan MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #11

It's not scaled to any individual retiree, the reduction is over TIME Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #38

2/3 of SS recipients rely on it for more than half of their income. 1/3 rely on it for more than HiPointDem Feb 2013 #26

So we can assume you are against the Chained CPI? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #76

What "protections" for the vulnerable? truedelphi Feb 2013 #215

When one makes a bullshit claim, it is a good idea not to post information that bluestate10 Feb 2013 #6

One of us is reading challenged MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #9

It's only visible to some. Autumn Feb 2013 #14

Casual character assassination has become rampant on DU. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #16

Exactly how is calling speculative bullshit character assassination? bluestate10 Feb 2013 #91

You wrote "There is nothing in the White House document about chained CPI" MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #120

No answer. Marr Feb 2013 #133

I sleep at night, I don't troll the web all the time like some. As a matter of fact, I don't troll bluestate10 Feb 2013 #164

That may be the most non-sensical excuse I've heard yet-- congratulations. Marr Feb 2013 #201

That person either has head in sand or cant or wont read. FogerRox Feb 2013 #291

Frankly, I consider it a sign of low character to simply walk away Marr Feb 2013 #296

Yes indeed. FogerRox Feb 2013 #297

To say the White House document says nothing about "chained CPI" is rather like saying . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #187

Well, you should know Summer Hathaway Feb 2013 #116

You mean the one that says "with protections for jazzimov Feb 2013 #19

Wait. Does it say "superlative CPI" or not? And have you MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #20

What "actual" plan? You posted a document that you said was the "plan". Now, do you bluestate10 Feb 2013 #85

Median SS income = $13K/year. 1/3 of recipients rely on SS for >90% of their income; 2/3 rely HiPointDem Feb 2013 #27

Exactly, so the savings come from reducing the benefits to the wealthy bhikkhu Feb 2013 #39

the highest benefit is $2513/mo. people that get it are already taxed on up to 85% of it, with HiPointDem Feb 2013 #41

You have no details on the president's proposal bhikkhu Feb 2013 #102

in fact, obama has had chained cpi on the table several times. from the horse's mouth: HiPointDem Feb 2013 #105

But other than the President's own words, you got NUTTIN' MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #234

That would mean that it would make more people . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #81

you are SOOOO naive Skittles Feb 2013 #101

To believe the president's proposal is what he says it is bhikkhu Feb 2013 #103

do you get paid for this? Skittles Feb 2013 #106

As we've both been here for a long time you might notice bhikkhu Feb 2013 #111

uh...yeah, ok LOL Skittles Feb 2013 #112

So... Democratic President Barrack Obama is hell-bent on cutting Social Security benefits...? TheProgressive Feb 2013 #12

I second your motion TheProgressive. iemitsu Feb 2013 #29

The motion has a 2nd to 'remove the SS cap'.... all in favor ---> TheProgressive Feb 2013 #32

Yea..... iemitsu Feb 2013 #34

Duly noted... TheProgressive Feb 2013 #36

I know that seniors need the money because iemitsu Feb 2013 #97

no. It's a stupid and unnecessary idea. Stupid because doing so winds up making a small HiPointDem Feb 2013 #42

yea DiverDave Feb 2013 #122

YEAH putitinD Feb 2013 #248

If you support Raising the Cap, you should have voted for THIS guy: bvar22 Feb 2013 #60

I voted for that guy - enthusiastically! But MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #63

But...I don't see "cut to Social Security" in that list. ??? Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #114

Speculative outrage is the best outrage...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #13

The OP is a master at that. And to surmise from his amen corner posts, there are many bluestate10 Feb 2013 #73

So do you favor chaining SS to the CPI or not? Cant tell from your post. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #78

There was nothing in the document about coupling SS to the CPI. I see facts where bluestate10 Feb 2013 #93

Yes, but how do you feel about chaining SS to the CPI? You must have an opinion. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #121

SS should not be indexed to the CPI, but some services offered to the SS administration bluestate10 Feb 2013 #166

I agree. That's why I am disappointed that he isnt arguing from higher ground. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #171

Here . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #198

It's feeds on its self every couple months like clock work JoePhilly Feb 2013 #135

Yes, my fellow DU member and Mass resident Manny is as predictable as a broken clock. nt bluestate10 Feb 2013 #167

Non-specific snark rant is the best rant Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #208

So one thread on this... one_voice Feb 2013 #15

we need lots of threads about it, even more. it's a hell of a lot more important than pictures HiPointDem Feb 2013 #28

YOU may need lots of threads.. one_voice Feb 2013 #35

By *we* I mean the majority of the population for whom SS is one of the crucial issues of the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #37

SS is very important to me... one_voice Feb 2013 #40

better negativity than to take one's eyes off the prize and get fucked on a weekend. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #43

Well if you need to read the same thing multiple times... one_voice Feb 2013 #46

It's not 'the same thing' multiple times. The news changes on a daily basis. it's not 'the same HiPointDem Feb 2013 #48

This thread is the same thing as the thread he linked to... one_voice Feb 2013 #54

bfd HiPointDem Feb 2013 #55

Well obviously you thought it was... one_voice Feb 2013 #64

no, i didn't think it was. *you* thought it was; i thought the opposite. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #68

Remind me to change my ID just1voice Feb 2013 #72

Don't forget to change your ID one_voice Feb 2013 #84

For those who will be negatively affected by the Chained CPI, you are correct, reading sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #150

i wish manny was the only poster on DU datasuspect Feb 2013 #197

Actually, I'm more here for those than the Obama-bashing. byronius Feb 2013 #82

So somebody else put that up on the President's website as his proposal & he doesn't know about HiPointDem Feb 2013 #109

Chinese hackers, no doubt! MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #139

Strategic kabuki, designed to embarrass the GOP. Not going to happen. Nothing he offers will be byronius Feb 2013 #179

The proposal is up on the white house website. Whatever it is, it's up there representing the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratsForProgress Feb 2013 #206

Not trying to shut down discussion; just advocating for the continuance of Republican-punching. byronius Feb 2013 #232

i'm happy to punch republicans for stuff that matters. like their plans to institute chained cpi. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #265

You're a fairer lefty than I, then. That was a ridiculous display of political ineptness. byronius Feb 2013 #269

Don't worry, this thread will be repeated every 3 months until Obama leaves office. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #184

good. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #191

I figure if Obama wanted to kill granny, he could just use the Death panels JoePhilly Feb 2013 #193

nothing to do with anyone 'wanting to kill granny'. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #199

Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2013 #274

Perhaps if the White House proudly called it "cutting Social Security by 5% or so" MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #50

Well gee Manny aren't we all lucky... one_voice Feb 2013 #65

Well, given that multiple known-smart DUers on the thread you reference MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #66

With an ego like that.. one_voice Feb 2013 #70

Gee Manny. Try not to shame those of us that work with finance and budgets regularly. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #169

Really, kinda beside the point. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #71

It's called sizzle without steak. Or more to the point, it's called pure bullshit.nt bluestate10 Feb 2013 #77

So are you saying that chaining SS to the CPI is a good idea or not? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author one_voice Feb 2013 #83

Actually, we did.....I spotted this one, I didn't spot the other BY A DIFFERENT DUer tpsbmam Feb 2013 #168

You obviously don't understand eleventy-dimensional chinese checkers. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #17

Once again, Manny offers his offerings. Whisp Feb 2013 #18

Our Progressive President. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #21

blah blah blah 'h3r3 comes 3rd way manny blah blah blah' pasto76 Feb 2013 #22

Manny! I missed you!!!! snooper2 Feb 2013 #23

Oy. tblue Feb 2013 #24

"With protections for the vulnerable." EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #30

A wise person keeps an eye on anybody in authority. caseymoz Feb 2013 #87

I agree. That is so much rhetoric."protections for the vulnerable". How stupid do they think we are? rhett o rick Feb 2013 #174

And yet.... Omaha Steve Feb 2013 #33

Manny I wouldnt call it a "sickness", it's a tactic. One might wonder what the hell Simson-Bowles rhett o rick Feb 2013 #45

they can't speak to the issues because they *know* most americans don't support chained HiPointDem Feb 2013 #47

Not worried. ProSense Feb 2013 #53

So nothing on the White House website means a damn thing then? just1voice Feb 2013 #80

Here: ProSense Feb 2013 #90

The problem with considering your question is "nothing ... means a damn thing" which is an patrice Feb 2013 #104

It would start in 3 years. A 65yr old would then see a $130/year decrease, about $10.25/month JaneyVee Feb 2013 #56

That $130 a year mean a month without medications for many seniors. amandabeech Feb 2013 #94

That's not ok. madfloridian Feb 2013 #100

No its terrible. No reason to hurt people already struggling to survive when the rich do nothing JaneyVee Feb 2013 #118

+ 100 Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #210

Maybe we're all supposed to be too busy arguing about guns to notice? Skip Intro Feb 2013 #61

You are right, the President did offer to cut SS Progressive dog Feb 2013 #62

He'll get his Grand Compromise to blast SS, 2014/2016/Beyond BE DAMNED. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #74

WTF? world wide wally Feb 2013 #75

Our food bill ran 15-percent higher in 2012 over previous year. Octafish Feb 2013 #86

Not only that, Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #92

Fact: Costs more to live every year. Octafish Feb 2013 #157

RIght - the COLA they use now is ridiculous, and drastically underestimates real inflation. kath Feb 2013 #151

The most billionaires and millionaires in history are here and now. Octafish Feb 2013 #156

To further illustrate your point, in 1983 the cap was at 90% today its at 84%. FogerRox Feb 2013 #292

Is this a cut to Social Security? Or does it merely prevent Social Security from increasing? OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #89

It's a cut from what's currently promised. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #96

You are right, Manny. Check out this link. madfloridian Feb 2013 #99

Thank you for your post! MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #123

K&R Obama explicitly campaigned on opposing Social Security cuts woo me with science Feb 2013 #98

Great compilation Woo! MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #130

Black is white. "Superlative" is vicious. woo me with science Feb 2013 #272

Back to that canard, eh, Manny?? cliffordu Feb 2013 #107

Manny has been wrong so much, he may get something right one of these days. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #170

Weird, last week I posted at V&M a clip of Thom Hartmann predicting the return of chained CPI alp227 Feb 2013 #110

Has Obama actually said he's proposing the chained CPI? napi21 Feb 2013 #113

The killer here is the MESSAGE. Even Obama thinks we need to cut SS. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #115

They know it's going to be tough madville Feb 2013 #117

Not so difficult. Restoring *all* tax rates on the wealthy to Clinton-era levels MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #124

That doesn't help much when we are running madville Feb 2013 #125

The only way to truly fix the debt is to grow the economy. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Progressive dog Feb 2013 #131

Interesting ProSense Feb 2013 #134

Did "on the wealthy" not show up in my post when you viewed it? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #142

My bad, but ProSense Feb 2013 #149

Not hard at all. Raising the cap on SS would solve most of the future problems sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #254

Obama will offer to cut Social Security even after he retires jsr Feb 2013 #126

Probably because its not going to happen. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #189

Manny, it's one of the 7 Habits of Sensible People jsr Feb 2013 #127

Ahh.. Another hyperbolic Manny claim that will never happen. Everyone panic!!! tridim Feb 2013 #129

So Obama's proposal was put on the White House site by Chinese hackers? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #140

I'm disputing your constant bullshit. tridim Feb 2013 #145

Link to a specific "bullshit" post, or apologize, or MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #154

Manny if the poster linked, the poster wouldn't have time for any thing else. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #175

So we can file you under "coward" MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #180

Not just coward. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #213

You are just sputtering for sputtering's sake. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #212

Actually Manny's post is not predicting anything. Manny's post is pointing out Autumn Feb 2013 #141

Manny has been predicting Obama will cut SS and medicare for years. tridim Feb 2013 #144

The OP was not a prediction. As for being right, the offer is on the White House web site. Autumn Feb 2013 #147

So link to a few of my predictions that were wrong. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #155

Stop picking on Manny One of the 99 Feb 2013 #263

Manny has decided its better to suggest, than to predict. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #183

I don't think Manny is in charge of the White House policy or their web site Autumn Feb 2013 #186

Every 2-3 months, same exact hair on fire thread. Again. And again. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #188

It's a simple fix. Obama can take it off the table, and mean it. Autumn Feb 2013 #200

All I predicted is that Obama was going to offer/call for cuts. And he did. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #242

It is so tedious, isn't it? I sometime wonder when the 100 or so rec'ers of this tripe Number23 Feb 2013 #230

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2013 #267

Missed this yesterday.... daleanime Feb 2013 #132

No. Hekate Feb 2013 #136

Every door seems to be a rabbit hole. blackspade Feb 2013 #137

A rabbit hole that many on DU happily hop down behind Manny. nt bluestate10 Feb 2013 #176

I remember when the apologists said Obama would *never* push for a chained CPI. Marr Feb 2013 #146

I fully expect ProSense Feb 2013 #152

Did you expect anything else from a "moderate Republican"? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #148

+ Infinity Octafish Feb 2013 #158

Bad move for the Democratic Party. Cleita Feb 2013 #153

doubt it: it's not about whether the GOP may or may not hypocritically use this as a bludgeon, but MisterP Feb 2013 #202

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #159

It's just a rumor. Obama will veto any cuts, whatever they're called, to SS. Won't he? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #178

How can he veto them after HE PROPOSED THEM??? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #257

mind explaining why you post a 'Superlative CPI with protections' means no food for ss people? Sunlei Feb 2013 #182

For all those defending Obama n2doc Feb 2013 #185

So he's going to do it THIS time? JoePhilly Feb 2013 #190

I have no idea. Neither do you. n2doc Feb 2013 #192

I've been right every other time its been predicted. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #194

And I hope you are right. n/t n2doc Feb 2013 #195

You don't get to say, "I told you so"-- sorry. Marr Feb 2013 #218

Let's say I have a mint condition Babe Ruth rookie card ...and you want it. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #284

Actually, you're the one making the irrational argument here. Marr Feb 2013 #288

My irrational arguement has held true ... JoePhilly Feb 2013 #289

And once again, its not happening. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #196

IT'S IN THERE! markpkessinger Feb 2013 #203

It was apparently placed on the site by CHINESE HACKERS, not Obama MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #209

Oh, right . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #249

But he obviously didn't mean it. woo me with science Feb 2013 #270

LOL! n/t markpkessinger Feb 2013 #271

Knee jerk, "shoot Manny" is now deflated. Yall got to admit Manny got it right FogerRox Feb 2013 #293

+1 n/t markpkessinger Feb 2013 #299

If the offer wasn't a cut... why mention "protecting the vulnerable"? Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #207

You know, ProSense Feb 2013 #211

This is, I think, the second time you have called me a "Hillary fan" Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #220

Here ProSense Feb 2013 #221

Okay? So in over a thousand posts you have found the following: Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #223

Yes, ProSense Feb 2013 #224

Why do you keep dodging the question? I am gonna put it in bold for you Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #225

Well, it means ProSense Feb 2013 #226

You are still dodging a very simple question Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #228

Interesting ProSense Feb 2013 #231

Can you just answer the question? n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #236

Can you ProSense Feb 2013 #239

LOL! Okay, I give up. Can anyone ELSE explain what the hell he is talking about? n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #240

LOL! "She" ProSense Feb 2013 #241

Random misdirection. Marr Feb 2013 #251

Gotcha, thanks. n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #255

It is not to be taken seriously. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #264

I don't take you fucking seriously. ProSense Feb 2013 #280

I take my fucking seriously. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #301

Wow ProSense Feb 2013 #282

...what? Marr Feb 2013 #287

Don't sweat it. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #305

There are a lot of commercials on DU. nt woo me with science Feb 2013 #266

Yeah, ProSense Feb 2013 #281

I'm not a Hillary fan dflprincess Feb 2013 #227

You know ProSense Feb 2013 #229

You don't. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #306

Yeah, that line really takes the cake. woo me with science Feb 2013 #285

It's part of the deal with the Repugs .. so he'll capitulate .. just watch. YOHABLO Feb 2013 #214

Can't do it by himself, now can he. I'll wait to hear the whole plan, thank you. judesedit Feb 2013 #216

He is trying to stop a nightmare. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #219

A nightmare proposed by the White House, in a very risky gamble markpkessinger Feb 2013 #247

Trying to save us from th nightmare. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #250

I think it was foolish . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #252

Sane people would never think they would act... Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #256

Really. So why rename it with a less scary title? Marr Feb 2013 #253

You C'mon. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #260

Yeah, isn't that ironic. Beacool Feb 2013 #303

So conceding ground to terrorists is "protecting" us? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #259

It is the american people that has conceded ground to terrorists Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #262

Oh Manny, you're our ant. Tryin' to move that big ol' rubber tree plant. great white snark Feb 2013 #222

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? You throw the same shitfit every other month. MjolnirTime Feb 2013 #233

Which part of this OP is potentially wrong? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #235

Ahh yes eleventy dimensional chess which only you understand..... FogerRox Feb 2013 #294

From the time I started lurking here, CheapShotArtist Feb 2013 #238

I've been hearing for weeks how Obama is much more popular than the Repukes Doctor_J Feb 2013 #261

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #268

Kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #275

Lets at least be honest Chained CPI is NOT the same thing at Superlative CPI Sheepshank Feb 2013 #298

They both cut 130 billion in 10 years from SS benefits, do you deny that? FogerRox Feb 2013 #300

two comments one from the article Sheepshank Feb 2013 #302

Both cut 130 billion from SS benefits, yes or no.......... FogerRox Feb 2013 #304