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In reply to the discussion: CONSERVATIVE: Iran hostage release the day of Reagan's inauguration "not a coincidence" [View all]sofa king
(10,857 posts)23. No, this is the October Surprise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise_conspiracy_theory
It predated Iran-Contra, though the principals involved overlapped considerably. After decades of relentless searching around a meticulously expunged record, it has now been established that Reagan campaign officials--the very same ones involved in Iran-Contra--quite probably did meet with Iranian officials to delay the release of 52 Americans being held hostage in Teheran. The Carter Administration was working furiously to secure the release of the hostages before the election; Reagan officials appear to have instead negotiated the fucking opposite of a hostage release, timed to hold the Americans in captivity for another 100 days, the remainder of Carter's term.
"Bud" McFarlane in particular developed the same memory problems he had during the Iran-Contra investigations, the ones that instantly turned into a suicide attempt when it was revealed that Reagan-era emails were copied and saved in a way with which the co-conspirators were unfamiliar.
However, because the October Surprise was (yet another) election theft attempt by Republican campaign officials, not yet government officials, and the documentary trail was deliberately destroyed, and Reagan-era officials and their lackeys continue to fight this story tooth and nail with a vehemence that only treason could fuel, it has not been "proven" in the eyes of silly people who cannot rationally conclude that the cover-up itself is all the evidence one needs to know that a crime occurred. The cover-up definitely exists. That's all we really need to know, and probably most of what we can know.
Journalist Robert Parry has been on the case for nearly thirty years now, and has produced documentary evidence to show meetings between McFarlane and Iranians, and more recently uncovered evidence that Bill Casey did indeed meet with Iranians in Europe.
Every explanation Reagan officials offered was a lie built upon the fragmentary evidence available at the time, and virtually all of them have since proven to be untrue.
In hindsight, with the scandal firmly book-ended by Watergate and Iran-Contra scandals, both of which were but a watery prelude to the undiluted evil of the Bush the Stupider Era, it seems silly to doubt it happened anymore. The results and what the alleged co-conspirators did afterward allow us now to conclude that the train sure as hell went into that tunnel, and sure as hell came out the other end.
It predated Iran-Contra, though the principals involved overlapped considerably. After decades of relentless searching around a meticulously expunged record, it has now been established that Reagan campaign officials--the very same ones involved in Iran-Contra--quite probably did meet with Iranian officials to delay the release of 52 Americans being held hostage in Teheran. The Carter Administration was working furiously to secure the release of the hostages before the election; Reagan officials appear to have instead negotiated the fucking opposite of a hostage release, timed to hold the Americans in captivity for another 100 days, the remainder of Carter's term.
"Bud" McFarlane in particular developed the same memory problems he had during the Iran-Contra investigations, the ones that instantly turned into a suicide attempt when it was revealed that Reagan-era emails were copied and saved in a way with which the co-conspirators were unfamiliar.
However, because the October Surprise was (yet another) election theft attempt by Republican campaign officials, not yet government officials, and the documentary trail was deliberately destroyed, and Reagan-era officials and their lackeys continue to fight this story tooth and nail with a vehemence that only treason could fuel, it has not been "proven" in the eyes of silly people who cannot rationally conclude that the cover-up itself is all the evidence one needs to know that a crime occurred. The cover-up definitely exists. That's all we really need to know, and probably most of what we can know.
Journalist Robert Parry has been on the case for nearly thirty years now, and has produced documentary evidence to show meetings between McFarlane and Iranians, and more recently uncovered evidence that Bill Casey did indeed meet with Iranians in Europe.
Every explanation Reagan officials offered was a lie built upon the fragmentary evidence available at the time, and virtually all of them have since proven to be untrue.
In hindsight, with the scandal firmly book-ended by Watergate and Iran-Contra scandals, both of which were but a watery prelude to the undiluted evil of the Bush the Stupider Era, it seems silly to doubt it happened anymore. The results and what the alleged co-conspirators did afterward allow us now to conclude that the train sure as hell went into that tunnel, and sure as hell came out the other end.
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CONSERVATIVE: Iran hostage release the day of Reagan's inauguration "not a coincidence" [View all]
alp227
Feb 2013
OP
Q: Why didn't Ted Koppel mention the 1953 US/UK Iran coup d'etat even once in 444 days?
green for victory
Feb 2013
#2
I recently found this guest opinion article Koppel wrote for the Wash. Post in 2011.
alp227
Feb 2013
#6
he doesn't do it cause he's dumb and needs education. he does it because he's a paid shill.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#9
whatever else sowell is, he didn't come from privilege. at least judging from his bio, he's
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#12
it's not concern; i just don't think he's in need of, or susceptible to, 'education'. i thought
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#18
Reagan's boys eventually started selling the Iranians weapons during the Iran-Contra affair.
Selatius
Feb 2013
#7
That's referred to as the October Surprise, but there was another one before this one and it
patrice
Feb 2013
#8
Which set the stage for 9/11 and the War on Iraq, to grab the oil and to act as a proxy attracting
patrice
Feb 2013
#15
I forget what the breakdown is but those Islamic religious tribes in the region are living in at
patrice
Feb 2013
#19
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, in my last series of posts to you: the KOCH bros were in the IRAN
patrice
Feb 2013
#24
Interesting also how conservatives jump to blame Carter for the rescue attempt's failure...
pinboy3niner
Feb 2013
#17