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evilhime

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96. Seems to me one of our biggest problems

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:04 PM

Feb 2013

is there doesn't seem to be a plan, or outline in place on how to rebuild after a natural disaster - what needs to come first, second, third, just to get things better. Like: 1. Provide food, water, clothing while searching for survivors; 2. Get shelters in place for people to stay as they are found; 3. Set up mobile hospitals/triage/medic units for the injured; 4. Begin clean-up, not only of destroyed/damaged structures but water supplies; 5. Once clean-up is either well on the way or close to completion, rebuilding needs to start - infrastructures (roads, bridges, buildings), houses/apartments, schools; 6. Ensuring the economy needs to happen but not FIRST - what good is a loan if there is nothing to use it for? I probably missed some things that go into all this but... just sayin' . . .

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The Clinton-Bush Fund has closed up shop in Haiti: Here are the fruits of neoliberal "charity" [View all] HiPointDem Feb 2013 OP

K&R redqueen Feb 2013 #1

I don't...nt joeybee12 Feb 2013 #2

The stated purpose of the fund was microeconomics, not disaster relief... msanthrope Feb 2013 #6

Criticizing what fundraisers call a 'charity' is not "attacking" any individual. nt redqueen Feb 2013 #9

Sean Penn took money from this charity. Should he give back the 1.35 million? msanthrope Feb 2013 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Feb 2013 #14

How can you have sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #21

Rebuilding homes is infrastructure. Small business is infrastructure. Some projects build roads and msanthrope Feb 2013 #22

Well now, isn't that exactly what we should be doing right now in the USA? xtraxritical Feb 2013 #36

No, that's actually incorrect. TiberiusB Feb 2013 #100

They're all inter-related... George II Feb 2013 #120

With the Bush name attached to it... no. gtar100 Feb 2013 #78

loans are aid hfojvt Feb 2013 #118

How much did you give? msanthrope Feb 2013 #3

The funds were misused davidthegnome Feb 2013 #10

The fund stated from the start it wasn't going to do disaster relief, but long term msanthrope Feb 2013 #11

That's Good news then. peace13 Feb 2013 #73

in 2007 hfojvt Feb 2013 #119

what is the extreme left? datasuspect Feb 2013 #101

The 1-Percent at Work. Octafish Feb 2013 #4

i've heard similar things about drug-running through haiti. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #7

The stated purpose of the fund, from the start, was long term financial, and not disaster msanthrope Feb 2013 #5

OP and their cohorts are not interested in the truth. They have an agenda and are going to twist stevenleser Feb 2013 #53

J/P Haitian Relief Organization gets my support rather than Clinton/Bush. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #8

They got a 1.35 million grant from Clinton/Bush. Should they have given it back? msanthrope Feb 2013 #12

Why should they? I simply pointed out where my direct support goes and where people who Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #95

Should Sean Penn give back the money he got from this fund for Haitian relief? msanthrope Feb 2013 #13

Hannah must be ignoring you...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #16

Dead Man Walking, we should call this thread...nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #17

We raised over $26,000 for Haiti in my department Catherina Feb 2013 #18

Sean Penn took money from this charity. Should he give back the 1.35 million? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #23

Who is Sean Penn? And why are you so obsessed with him? Fuddnik Feb 2013 #29

Sean Penn founded a charity the poster says is a better example. That entity took money msanthrope Feb 2013 #37

Sean Penn is an actor who is a favorite target of FOXNEWS. JackRiddler Feb 2013 #103

No entrepreneur left behind! another_liberal Feb 2013 #19

Something Awful Goons sponsor this school FreeBC Feb 2013 #20

And just exactly, What is new with this?, ... CRH Feb 2013 #24

That's what they'll do to us, too. Make no mistake. Keep voting Republican't judesedit Feb 2013 #25

The Obama administration likes the conditions in Haiti very much. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #77

Thanks for the links...interesting info. n/t KoKo Feb 2013 #82

Beyond words. Beyond contempt. Thanks for posting this. snagglepuss Feb 2013 #84

I read years ago that is the reason Aristede was ousted arikara Feb 2013 #87

This is 2013 - got anything current? Two year old news, and maybe not even true any more. George II Feb 2013 #89

Ego Pros. GeorgeGist Feb 2013 #26

Sleeping with the enemy rarely ends well. eom littlemissmartypants Feb 2013 #27

Corruption takes many forms, and if the United States seems like it has less of it than many HiPointDem Feb 2013 #28

Right, most corrupt nation on earth, but of couse it's legal. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #39

Neoliberal philanthropy is a fucking scam of the highest magnitude alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #30

Looks like Naomi Klein got it right Bainbridge Bear Feb 2013 #32

"It does nothing of value, and convinces some people that capitalism must be alright after all." redqueen Feb 2013 #71

+1000s (n/t) bread_and_roses Feb 2013 #76

It's hard to even think about this. truedelphi Feb 2013 #31

yeah, it's all the haitians' fault. what could we do, they're so corrupt... that's the ticket. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #35

Did you read my last sentence? I pretty much truedelphi Feb 2013 #66

here's what i was reacting to; my apologies if i interpreted it wrong: HiPointDem Feb 2013 #67

Travesty in Haiti: Christian missions, orphanages, fraud, food aid and drug trafficking HiPointDem Feb 2013 #33

Just another way corporations can fleece the American taxpayers. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #40

A five-year old book....years before the earthquake..............amazing! George II Feb 2013 #90

What a disgusting post. Bashing Clinton because a charity distributing $54 million wasn't enough FSogol Feb 2013 #34

Did you actually read the OP? davidthegnome Feb 2013 #55

well, haitians can get mortgages, loans and insurance now!!!!! progress!!!!! HiPointDem Feb 2013 #58

The money was used to do what the stated objective for raising the money in the first place George II Feb 2013 #91

That was my first impression, too treestar Feb 2013 #74

Gee almost 1/3 rd of the total replies on this thread from one poster Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #38

Hmm. That must be 'Ignored". HiPointDem Feb 2013 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author lunasun Feb 2013 #43

well, merck to my knowledge didn't get it; a health clinic with a partnership with another HiPointDem Feb 2013 #44

sorry my bad - anyway still not a priority given the circumstances there lunasun Feb 2013 #45

someone may be getting a juicy speaking tour for that. Whisp Feb 2013 #47

Glad I never gave any money to that. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #42

Wow & they made it so easy for you: HiPointDem Feb 2013 #46

Obama is not like either of those fleabags. n/t Whisp Feb 2013 #48

Thank you! eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #75

Yep....just add it to your cell-phone. Quick as anything. KoKo Feb 2013 #83

No Matter how Haiti Relief is SPUN..the "Clinton Initiative" was failure... KoKo Feb 2013 #49

yes; they're leaving haitians to 'chart their own course' now. lol. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #51

That is so sad to read.. I guess some here will applaud and KoKo Feb 2013 #60

yeah, we're spozed to believe that clinton/bush told us from the get-go that they were gonna HiPointDem Feb 2013 #61

This is a good example of why davidthegnome Feb 2013 #50

i'm totally on-board with the idea that smaller groups who actually care about the project HiPointDem Feb 2013 #56

Yes...but, truly I think we thought we had "good problem solving minds KoKo Feb 2013 #63

You get a lot of flack, but I appreciate your posts OP RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #52

thank you for saying so. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #57

For people like them, charity begins at home and in the long run, stays there MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #54

haiti's 1 percent so.bc360 Feb 2013 #59

And..there's the history where Haiti overthrew their SLAVERY KoKo Feb 2013 #64

So brown folks shouldn't have mortgages, business opportunities, or computers for schools? michigandem58 Feb 2013 #62

yes, well, see how much use all that is when 1) they have no jobs, so no income -- & 3/4 HiPointDem Feb 2013 #65

So in this country, you will oppose publicly funded cancer screenings, small business assistance, michigandem58 Feb 2013 #70

The same kind of "good work" Poppy and Clinton performed for tsunami victims. Fuddnik Feb 2013 #86

my guess is that this kind of orwellian denial is the reason no one trusts politicians HiPointDem Feb 2013 #98

Excellent post malaise Feb 2013 #68

K&R MelungeonWoman Feb 2013 #69

thanks for posting this. never trust a clinton and a bush Whisp Feb 2013 #72

Poverty pimps pscot Feb 2013 #79

My jaded bleeding heart breaks yet again........ joanbarnes Feb 2013 #80

Democrats who believe in neo-liberalism and compromise with their Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #81

Rather cynical and selective criticism of the fund.......... George II Feb 2013 #85

If you have information that contradicts the OP davidthegnome Feb 2013 #93

You can't build homes without money, and that $47M would go far to build homes...... George II Feb 2013 #104

feb 2013 working in the tent city HiPointDem Feb 2013 #94

Bill should just spend his foundation's money elsewhere. Beacool Feb 2013 #116

omg... Whisp Feb 2013 #121

I knew those crooks were up to no good arikara Feb 2013 #88

Great post. Neo-liberals are assholes with faulty economic dogma even PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #92

Seems to me one of our biggest problems evilhime Feb 2013 #96

Disaster capitalism is rarely "helpful".. SoCalDem Feb 2013 #97

Disaster Capitalism is it's own disaster. The money should go directly to the people mountain grammy Feb 2013 #102

"They come, but they do nothing": Haiti: where did the money go? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #99

Impressively researched post. Thank you! JackRiddler Feb 2013 #105

All they had to do was get clean water, cement, tools, and a few heavy eqpuipment pieces there and kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #106

that's what's so sad about it. donations could have allowed ordinary people to get some work, HiPointDem Feb 2013 #109

HiPointDem, thank you for all the work and this awesome thread! tpsbmam Feb 2013 #107

Great thread. Very informative. DU could use more thought provoking threads like this. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #108

This is from one of the links. Beacool Feb 2013 #110

of course you would. :) Whisp Feb 2013 #111

Yawwwnnnn............ Beacool Feb 2013 #113

in a way it's kind of cute how you are defending The Chimperor's reputation of honesty & good work. Whisp Feb 2013 #115

the haitian government exists because of US support. The us could withdraw that support & HiPointDem Feb 2013 #112

I know what we can do. Beacool Feb 2013 #114

lol. sure, that's the ticket. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #117