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AndyA

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76. Cutting benefits to veterans and increasing taxes on $30,000-40,000 income is still unacceptable

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:34 AM

Feb 2013

Not when we're subsidizing oil companies that are making billions in profits every quarter, allowing multi-millionaires to pay far less in taxes as a percentage than average Americans, and have companies like AT&T, Exxon Mobile, Verizon, etc., that pay essentially zero taxes.

No, no, no. Unacceptable. Our veterans deserve better than that. The GOP should be hit really, really hard for their failure to support the troops. Sure, they'll send them off to be killed in one of their trumped up wars, but forget any interest in them once they return home.

Any cuts need to be to the loopholes allowing millionaires and corporations to pay less than their fair share. Average Americans should not be asked to give up anything more until the playing field has been leveled.

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I owe some DUers an apology. [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 OP

... SidDithers Feb 2013 #1

Clever. GeorgeGist Feb 2013 #64

Brilliant rebuttal! Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #78

This guy must be on vacation: UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #85

Sid seems skeptical pscot Feb 2013 #88

Ha! nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #2

Also, he only offered it to trap the GOP. Marr Feb 2013 #3

All irony, all the time. Richardo Feb 2013 #4

Those earning between $30 and $40K would be hit the hardest according to the linked article. n/t Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #5

Only one glass of wine and see what happens? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #6

I know that feeling all too well! Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #8

The second glass timdog44 Feb 2013 #75

Thanks for yr apology! This whole fiasco reminds me of how the wonderful ACA really hits truedelphi Feb 2013 #109

Well, those drones don't pay for THEMSELVES MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #7

You pulled out the big gun Autumn Feb 2013 #9

IT IS A CHESS GAME MANNY!!! Skittles Feb 2013 #10

Thanks elleng Feb 2013 #13

Even Bobby Fischer lost occassionally. bvar22 Feb 2013 #26

Indeed, chervilant Feb 2013 #96

Thank you for making so crystal clear. Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #104

Ah, I see. So Repubs take the deal. caseymoz Feb 2013 #33

Your feeble mind just won't understand... progressoid Feb 2013 #39

K&R.... k&R.... K&R... midnight Feb 2013 #47

STOP IT PROGRESSOID Skittles Feb 2013 #54

He does seem to be playing 3D chess. AnnieK401 Feb 2013 #79

... Whisp Feb 2013 #11

Gee that looks like a big pile of steaming cow dung. wilsonbooks Feb 2013 #74

How did you get that picture of Sids backyard? n/t L0oniX Feb 2013 #100

I knew this was going to be an awesome thread. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #12

Thanks elleng Feb 2013 #14

No, it's bait. Same theme, no change. freshwest Feb 2013 #23

Same theme, "IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY" ...., "but 'we' hate being bought & sold as slaves!" patrice Feb 2013 #98

I wish the President wasn't offering these give-aways in a naive belief Swede Atlanta Feb 2013 #15

it takes a person of strong character to admit when they're wrong.. frylock Feb 2013 #16

Also sprach Brittainy Spears . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #18

Yes, indeed. madfloridian Feb 2013 #30

of course....+1 KoKo Feb 2013 #93

Sad +1. Overseas Feb 2013 #102

You're showing a lot more class Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #17

Maybe because the responders understand that the apology is satirical? n/t Bolo Boffin Feb 2013 #20

Ah, Third-Way Manny Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #60

Again, the Obama proposal has "protections for the vulnerable" Bolo Boffin Feb 2013 #19

What % of Social Security recipients AREN'T "vulnerable"? n/t brentspeak Feb 2013 #40

This thread isn't about SS, it's about other ways the chained CPI could impact people. Bolo Boffin Feb 2013 #41

So it is now verbotten to mention items tangential to the truedelphi Feb 2013 #111

Oh, brother. Bolo Boffin Feb 2013 #116

A 150% poverty exception would make that 0%. joshcryer Feb 2013 #162

This poster has a fetish about "cutting" social security treestar Feb 2013 #108

"This poster" - you mean me? Bolo Boffin Feb 2013 #114

No I meant the OP treestar Feb 2013 #119

Oh. Sorry about the friendly fire. Bolo Boffin Feb 2013 #132

The lack of means testing is one of the major safeguards Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #141

But then cutting the benefits of it to the rich treestar Feb 2013 #143

The problem is that the cuts come as offers from the White House Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #145

This is it!!! Here it comes!!! Any second!!! JoePhilly Feb 2013 #21

^^ Coward ^^ MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #24

^^^ Failed Prognosticator ^^^ JoePhilly Feb 2013 #70

^^ Prove It... Or Be Proven A Coward ^^ MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #71

Sorry Chicken Little, I'm staying. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #72

Again, an evidence-free post MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #73

You throw up pure bullshit, then demand that others prove something? bluestate10 Feb 2013 #124

Just a link showing what they claim I said MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #128

You stopped making specific claims shortly after the 2010 State of the Union. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #133

False. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #134

I'm not going to re-show you that which I've showed you before. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #135

False. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #136

True .. and ... my prediction is that .. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #137

If Obama keeps proposing cuts to Social Security, then someone MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #138

Nah. You just keep making stuff up. You are either ignorant about how the CPI works bluestate10 Feb 2013 #159

Having a rational argument with Manny is like trying to catch a waterfall with your bear hands. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #160

Nailed it... SidDithers Feb 2013 #34

Just don't hold your breath while you wait. Predictable gambit, but no cigar. freshwest Feb 2013 #99

Probably hardly any of those people voted for him anyways!!!!1!1 forestpath Feb 2013 #22

actually the estate tax is now indexed dsc Feb 2013 #25

I see what you did there. Rex Feb 2013 #27

You're no Stephen Colbert. randome Feb 2013 #28

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #29

DURec. bvar22 Feb 2013 #31

Just as nefarious.. Why Syzygy Feb 2013 #32

Check your irony meter tavalon Feb 2013 #43

Could be askew... Why Syzygy Feb 2013 #45

The words "Manny Goldstein" come from an ancient dead language tclambert Feb 2013 #121

Well now that it�s all settled..... busterbrown Feb 2013 #35

I have a close friend from the tribe who says grantcart Feb 2013 #38

SCHEDULING YOU TWO FOR A DUO-ASS KICKING Skittles Feb 2013 #55

Ass long as the ass kicking busterbrown Feb 2013 #56

I am strictly Nordic, darling Skittles Feb 2013 #58

Well thats good enough for me.... busterbrown Feb 2013 #62

The best way to make sure that doesn't happen rucky Feb 2013 #67

You are all about money, NeeDeep Feb 2013 #36

+1 Why aren't we asking, god forbid!!, what could be bought in terms of loophole abatement, or solar patrice Feb 2013 #57

The question is though, who is the "enemy"? Fumesucker Feb 2013 #63

Hypothetical "yes", but the question is what to do. TIME is short. Have you seen those graphs patrice Feb 2013 #89

Some people bitch about everytthing being about money and then they MAKE everything about money. patrice Feb 2013 #87

its good of you to apologize grantcart Feb 2013 #37

thank you. So many actions being taken, so many facets... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #49

k&r rhett o rick Feb 2013 #42

Hurting disabled Vets and the low income STILL sucks. :( Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #44

I think that's the point. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #48

I agree; I saw it as purely sarcastic and I fully agree with the sentiment! Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #50

I don't think many are tuning in on Manny's points being made. madfloridian Feb 2013 #51

Well you have to admit, hurting veterans and low income workers sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #52

Well... madfloridian Feb 2013 #59

"The Greediest Generation" MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #69

Thanks for the refreshment of Simpson's wisdom... KoKo Feb 2013 #94

The real problem with disabled veterans Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #82

It is shameful,indeed. What a drag on our national economy they are.. KoKo Feb 2013 #95

That's related to the same thing we say about how we are told "There's not enough (whatever) to go patrice Feb 2013 #97

So Sabrina - truedelphi Feb 2013 #112

Always follow your instincts. - K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #46

Apology accepted lol Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #53

... xchrom Feb 2013 #61

superlative datasuspect Feb 2013 #65

Apology accepted Doctor_J Feb 2013 #66

The rich are referring to this CPI as a minor tweak. midnight Feb 2013 #68

Cutting benefits to veterans and increasing taxes on $30,000-40,000 income is still unacceptable AndyA Feb 2013 #76

How are you apologizing? you are still putting President Obama down. graham4anything Feb 2013 #77

It's funny. You post Obamas offer from the WH web site, and you are putting Obama down Autumn Feb 2013 #80

Duh Doctor_J Feb 2013 #83

The president's offer to cut benefits for seniors, veterans, and the working poor Autumn Feb 2013 #84

That's okay, I made a mistake here once....... Uben Feb 2013 #81

Apology accepted. Don't let it happen again. ;) shcrane71 Feb 2013 #86

President Obama's policies: big savings and smart spending ProSense Feb 2013 #90

snort. blackspade Feb 2013 #91

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #92

"2. Increasing taxes, .." is as clever as Reagan's taxation of 50% of SS benefits for the first time AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #101

The cuts that you mentioned are unacceptable. There are other uses of CPI. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #103

Thanks for this information. nt patrice Feb 2013 #105

Any links to back you up? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #110

Maybe they are busy today? After all, It is Sunday, truedelphi Feb 2013 #113

Any time now... MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #117

Sorry, but President Obama isn't evilly thinking of how to screw SS recipients. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #123

Well, at least we're starting to agree. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #129

And I would be forever grteful if the Fed Government would release the names of the truedelphi Feb 2013 #142

Manny, I stated in this OP somewhere that in the case of disinflation, the CPI should freeze. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #164

Thank you treestar Feb 2013 #140

When I see the bill for myself, the entire bill, I will judge then.Not before.Obama's for the people judesedit Feb 2013 #106

Well, we agree on something. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #118

IOKIYAO? dorkulon Feb 2013 #107

BULLSHIT SPEWED BY AN OBAMA BASHER AT DU ?????????????? michigandem58 Feb 2013 #115

Manny you have long been & remain my DU hero! Divernan Feb 2013 #120

You SHOULD apologize! tclambert Feb 2013 #122

I never realized so many people comment on posts without reading them. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #125

But it IS an apology Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #154

You don't really have any idea of what formula would be used cheapdate Feb 2013 #126

Yes, it's well known MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #127

Did you find it yet? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #130

How about now? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #131

Now? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #139

Looks like you need to ProSense Feb 2013 #144

Why? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #146

It was just as suggestion. ProSense Feb 2013 #147

Did she say something I should disagree with? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #148

No, you ProSense Feb 2013 #149

Did I say his proposal was worse than the sequester? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #150

The sequester doesn't include chained CPI. ProSense Feb 2013 #152

I'm not sure which is worse MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #153

"I'll have to trust in Warren on this one." ProSense Feb 2013 #156

Let's see what she does Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #151

Um, ProSense Feb 2013 #155

You are urging we call Sen. Warren Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #157

No, I'm not. ProSense Feb 2013 #158

House Dems said is Chained CPI doesn't happen if no poverty exemption. joshcryer Feb 2013 #161

Yes, you do. nt MineralMan Feb 2013 #163

creepy...you really didn't "GET" Manny's post at all.. KoKo Feb 2013 #165

I got it. nt MineralMan Feb 2013 #166