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Capitalocracy

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8. After economic crises leave them without management...

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:14 PM

Jan 2012

people have successfully taken over similar spaces (factories, in many cases) and gotten them operating, even earning a decent living for all the people involved, in many nations around the world. While resistance was certainly not a surprise, people taking over abandoned spaces and making use of them is also nothing new.

And then come the legal battles as the former owners who abandoned the space, in these international cases, oftentimes after failing to pay wages to their workers for extended periods of time, suddenly want to get their hands on the profit the workers have produced by working together and putting the former management to shame.

Also, a common way of dealing with the occupation of abandoned space is to deal with it in the court system, attempt to get them out peacefully, and removing them by force only as a last resort and with minimal necessary force. These guys are practically Pinkertons.

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Did Occupy Oakland Believe Their Move-In Day Would Succeed? [View all] MineralMan Jan 2012 OP

They expected to hold a weekend 'festival' to celebrate! randome Jan 2012 #1

I don't know if we needed another thread, but here mine is. MineralMan Jan 2012 #2

I think you are asking good questions. Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #49

Thanks for that! MineralMan Jan 2012 #53

From OO Move In Day FAQ... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #3

I read in another thread that protestors were Rex Jan 2012 #4

One of the reports on the protest said that MineralMan Jan 2012 #7

I hope they catch the people trying to incite violence. Rex Jan 2012 #14

Of course it will work. randome Jan 2012 #19

the people "trying to incite violence" are overwhelmingly police officers.... mike_c Jan 2012 #21

The thugs are the ones who started with the violence from the begining of ows. The protesters SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #30

If you were in charge of the police in Oakland... randome Jan 2012 #34

A big difference is that "one side" is made up of govenment employees. morningfog Jan 2012 #45

Are you going to answer the question in post 34? snooper2 Jan 2012 #69

That may be true in some cases, but there are also plenty of MineralMan Jan 2012 #31

summer of 2012.... mike_c Jan 2012 #37

"what little violence and vandalism" brooklynite Jan 2012 #43

I'm not going to pretend that some Occupiers don't get violent occasionally.... mike_c Jan 2012 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author snooper2 Jan 2012 #68

Publicizing it, is protection. WingDinger Jan 2012 #5

So, you feel that provocation that leads to police violence is MineralMan Jan 2012 #9

It has always been thus. WingDinger Jan 2012 #13

Do NOT dishonor the work of Ghandi and King by comparing nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #60

+1,000,000 Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #64

Thank you for the support nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #67

As long as they are continually getting publicity and comments/reactions from official, morningfog Jan 2012 #46

You mean they are arresting anyone with a big, red 'L' on their forehead? randome Jan 2012 #11

Ya know, that aint a half bad idea. All the Occupy protestors wear a shirt plainly labeled, LIBERAL WingDinger Jan 2012 #17

The Convention Center, pintobean Jan 2012 #6

After economic crises leave them without management... Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #8

I read on another thread that the building was closed for safety reasons. randome Jan 2012 #10

I did some research. The Convention Center was closed MineralMan Jan 2012 #12

Thanks for looking that up. randome Jan 2012 #16

This is starting to look like a test of wills between the populace Rex Jan 2012 #26

Yes, but it's a test of wills between a small segment of the populace MineralMan Jan 2012 #32

I don't think any size populace can win the test of wills Rex Jan 2012 #48

Oh, yes they can. MineralMan Jan 2012 #56

I seriously doubt those kind of numbers will Rex Jan 2012 #61

I thought there were seismic issues too XemaSab Jan 2012 #62

That could certainly be true. MineralMan Jan 2012 #66

I don't think there was any real possibility that Occupy Oakland MineralMan Jan 2012 #15

I'd say they failed to take over the building because our society HAS broken down Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #18

The force being used by the police is far from as extreme as the police MineralMan Jan 2012 #33

Yes, they could've used M-16s, but that doesn't make what they've been doing acceptable. Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #36

When you use terms like "extreme violence," MineralMan Jan 2012 #40

What would you call this? Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #41

Did the Yippees believe their levitation of the Pentagon would succeed? Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #20

Of course they didn't. Oakland's police department MineralMan Jan 2012 #23

And they did not get the Pentagon off the ground. It was not the point to do so. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #39

I suppose there's no sense trying to do anything unless there's a 100% chance of unqualified success gratuitous Jan 2012 #22

The odds were much in favor of the attempted takeover as ending the way it did. randome Jan 2012 #24

Or, maybe they did pintobean Jan 2012 #27

This is the answer... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #52

That's how I see it, too. MineralMan Jan 2012 #28

No, I'm not saying that at all. If that were true, few of the large protests I MineralMan Jan 2012 #25

Here is everything you need to know. WingDinger Jan 2012 #44

Of course it was predictable Nevernose Jan 2012 #50

I imagine if you contacted them for a response LanternWaste Jan 2012 #29

I don't even know who you'd contact, and that wasn't my intent. MineralMan Jan 2012 #35

Damn citizens, forcing the police to be violent. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #38

Isn't this EXACTLY what the right does that drives us crazy? Or is it OK to be an apologist as long renie408 Jan 2012 #51

Got a lot of people, though, didn't it? (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #42

Heres more of those naive people, doing it wrong. WingDinger Jan 2012 #47

If you're going to call in Gandhi, you're missing a whole MineralMan Jan 2012 #55

It was meant to fail this time Taverner Jan 2012 #54

I see. Or I will see, if it actually happens. MineralMan Jan 2012 #57

Right now the news will spread Taverner Jan 2012 #58

What really happened donheld Jan 2012 #63

It passed their General Assembly, so a majority of them must have thought it would work. joshcryer Jan 2012 #65

Actual Oakland residence here. mulsh Jan 2012 #70

Thanks pintobean Jan 2012 #71

Thanks. I knew it was the Kaiser Auditorium, but didn't MineralMan Jan 2012 #72