General Discussion

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)

107. Perhaps YOU should read the article.

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 04:13 PM

Feb 2013

Here is what they said about Texas:

Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without.

The claim is that CHLers threatened someone with a firearm 4.8 ties more than those without. I posted the link to the official Texas statistics. Here it is again: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm In 2011 there were over 525,000 Texans with CHLs. Threatening someone with a pistol is Aggrevated Assault With a Deadly Weapon. There were 2,765 convictions statewide, and only three (3) of them were by CHLers. But if you want to compare all all convictions of serious crimes we can do that. Same link. There were 63,679 convictions of serious crimes, statewide in 2011, only 120 of them were by CHLers.

Face it. As a group, CHLers are a select law-abiding group. Your attempt to paint us as dangerous to the general public is a lie.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

112 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down [View all] Botany Feb 2013 OP

Actually there is some backing for most of them (unfortunately) ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #1

I stopped at #1 because there are bills in the California legislature to do just that right now slackmaster Feb 2013 #2

And numerous DUers support bans, even as they deny the fact. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #7

Also MN and MO sarisataka Feb 2013 #9

Uh... G_j Feb 2013 #12

You might want to research Washington state bill SB 5737 Lurks Often Feb 2013 #13

I'm not an idiot G_j Feb 2013 #15

Not a joke sarisataka Feb 2013 #28

Norway has exactly that kind of regulation with regard to inspection of gun storage. CTyankee Feb 2013 #19

Fortunately we have the 4th Amendment to protect us from illegal searches n/t Lurks Often Feb 2013 #20

The searches are not illegal. They are part of the law in Norway. CTyankee Feb 2013 #24

I don't expect too many courts here in the US will agree. Lurks Often Feb 2013 #38

Oh, I think it is far more curious not to consider such a plan out of hand. CTyankee Feb 2013 #46

Not that tired argument again Lurks Often Feb 2013 #47

I haven't heard any proponents of any restrictions among 2nd amendment defenders here. CTyankee Feb 2013 #48

Of course Lurks Often Feb 2013 #50

All right, you say that is reasonable. I say that regular inspections can be reasonable. CTyankee Feb 2013 #52

I disagree Lurks Often Feb 2013 #63

there you go again...as I have carefully pointed out here, Norway is a constitutional democracy, CTyankee Feb 2013 #65

You're kidding right roxy1234 Feb 2013 #49

I take that as pretty strong antipathy to gun restrictions. CTyankee Feb 2013 #51

I do support many reasonable gun roxy1234 Feb 2013 #54

If that is true then you need a better PR strategy. You are obviously not driving your message CTyankee Feb 2013 #55

For the record roxy1234 Feb 2013 #57

just as I had to clarify what I see actually happening in these threads. The pro-gun side has CTyankee Feb 2013 #59

I've been reading DonB Feb 2013 #89

If the bill becomes law, the inspections will be legal. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #40

Do you really think a law allowing warrantless searches Lurks Often Feb 2013 #43

Is a regular inspection always a "warrantless search'? We have various public health inspections CTyankee Feb 2013 #56

Don't think the courts are going to view that way n/t Lurks Often Feb 2013 #62

oh, c'mon, you haven't answered my question. Have the courts said that restaurant CTyankee Feb 2013 #66

There is an enormous difference between a warrant-less search Lurks Often Feb 2013 #68

Oh, dear, again with "warrantless." If the law says inspection is legal, how can it be CTyankee Feb 2013 #69

Moot point Lurks Often Feb 2013 #70

I see. what a great thinking group of citizens in our democracy. how wonderful. CTyankee Feb 2013 #71

It is difficult for me to discern whether you are exultant about this "moot point" or CTyankee Feb 2013 #72

They won't be warrantless. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #96

Yeah that would be almost as ludicrous guardian Feb 2013 #104

Another excellent reason to vigorously oppose gun registration slackmaster Feb 2013 #95

Washington state bill SB 5737 rdharma Feb 2013 #87

It was yanked out when people noticed and started yelling. n/t Lurks Often Feb 2013 #90

Like I said...... wasn't even in the original bill nt rdharma Feb 2013 #91

Do try and do some basic research before posting, Lurks Often Feb 2013 #92

Go check the ORIGINAL submitted bill! rdharma Feb 2013 #93

You're the only one getting hysterical Lurks Often Feb 2013 #94

"bother to read the link?" rdharma Feb 2013 #97

Your research skills seem lacking Lurks Often Feb 2013 #99

language was in the original bill. rdharma Feb 2013 #100

It's lots of fun watching you avoid facts n/t Lurks Often Feb 2013 #102

"It's lots of fun watching you" rdharma Feb 2013 #103

Given the choice between sarisataka Feb 2013 #27

where is that documented? CTyankee Feb 2013 #34

Here sarisataka Feb 2013 #39

The laws in many states that enforce bans under penalty of law disprove #1 off the bat. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #83

Sorry, that's just bs propaganda. Skip Intro Feb 2013 #3

Believe that bullshit guardian Feb 2013 #4

Care to tell us what the lies are? nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #11

See my post #21 in this thread. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #22

Your "post #21" has been completely and thoroughly debunked: apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #81

Name one. I'll wait. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #78

funny how so far nobody is addressing the article's first paragraph: CTyankee Feb 2013 #5

I hunt and own guns but the NRA and the gun lovers want to deny one simple fact .... Botany Feb 2013 #8

Then why isnt Switzerland the wild wild west? davidn3600 Feb 2013 #10

Tell us about Switzerland's gun control laws vs. ours... CTyankee Feb 2013 #17

Wrong. Switzerland does not have more guns per capita then we do. DanTex Feb 2013 #26

#1: it's not full of Americans maxsolomon Feb 2013 #29

What you mean to say is we lead the world in belligerent idiots... and some of them are armed. n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #41

Several points nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #32

Switzerland is the Wild West in Europe rightsideout Feb 2013 #61

Switzerland also has 100% gun registration. nt rdharma Feb 2013 #88

Duh! Just as pool drownings logically rise with proliferation of pools. TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #35

I don't think those who "harp on suicides" are contending that the guns CAUSE the suicides. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #37

Pool serve another purpose treestar Feb 2013 #45

What I find depressing is that most G_j Feb 2013 #14

I was wondering why I couldn't pinpoint what was so alarming about such responses here: CTyankee Feb 2013 #16

seems to be an automatic process G_j Feb 2013 #18

As if they were replies made by glib sociopaths, perhaps? Electric Monk Feb 2013 #42

Just watch out for the Morlocks here. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #6

Debunking the article GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #21

See you then! Robb Feb 2013 #23

LOL. By "debunking" you mean "repeating false NRA talking points". DanTex Feb 2013 #25

Thank you. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #33

+1000 ellisonz Feb 2013 #44

Banning "assault weapons" = banning guns derby378 Feb 2013 #64

Oh, I see. Whatever happened to your side and your vaunted "gun safety" concerns? CTyankee Feb 2013 #67

I have no idea what you're talking about derby378 Feb 2013 #73

why am I not surprised? That seems to be the face of the anti gun safety group on DU... CTyankee Feb 2013 #74

Get your memes straight derby378 Feb 2013 #75

No. Let me be clear. When I say "gun safety" I mean "gun safety." You want to make it about CTyankee Feb 2013 #77

I was wrong about you... derby378 Feb 2013 #80

No, you have the meme you want to cling to and not allow any further discussion of. What CTyankee Feb 2013 #82

You are not fooling anybody. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #108

gun safety is the real goal, IMO. Gun control is the means. We need more of it. CTyankee Feb 2013 #110

Ahhh, facts: they just continue to baffle our "pro gun progressives"*... apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #79

Perhaps YOU should read the article. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #107

With some people (NRA etc.) myths trump reality nt Progressive dog Feb 2013 #30

K&R nt Fresh_Start Feb 2013 #31

Love the list nt duhneece Feb 2013 #36

Wow I never realized their were so many stupid people on DU Drale Feb 2013 #53

Or: 10 Strawmen Shot Down. And you did so without even using the magic letters "NRA". AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #58

Red States compared to Blue States rightsideout Feb 2013 #60

The problem with that chart kudzu22 Feb 2013 #105

"Fact-check: Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 30 years: 0" - And yet apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #76

There have been several rampage shootings that were stopped by armed civilians. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #109

kick samsingh Feb 2013 #84

myth #4 samsingh Feb 2013 #85

Thank you libodem Feb 2013 #86

LOL @ "No one in Washington is proposing this." How about Amitai Etzioni, Professor of... slackmaster Feb 2013 #98

He's a "communalist" who thinks his way is the best way for everyone. NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #106

We could get rid of guns in the streets, and still protect guns in the home graham4anything Feb 2013 #101

No, this is Dpm12 Feb 2013 #111

recommend these important facts samsingh Feb 2013 #112