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Showing Original Post only (View all)If no cuts to Social Security, why must the president include "protections for the vulnerable?" [View all]
At the White House website on February 21 there was posted the president's final offer to Boehner on deficit reduction.
A Balanced Plan to Avert the Sequester and Reduce the Deficit
In the middle of all the cuts that are listed is this sentence:
Spending savings from Superlative CPI with protections for vulnerable
From what I have read Superlative CPI is either the president's version of Chained CPI or they are the very same. I have read both.
I have to wonder why the vulnerable need protecting? From what? If there are no cuts intended why is there a need for protection?
Jay Carney told us in December that President Obama included it in the negotiations to find common ground with the Republicans. I find myself resenting that very much.
From the White House transcript:
Why Chained CPI was included by Obama
MR. CARNEY: Well, lets be clear about one thing: The President didnt put it on the table. This is something that Republicans want. And it is --
Q But the Republicans --
MR. CARNEY: -- part of his -- if I could please answer Sams question, Id appreciate it. And the President did include it in his counterproposal, his counteroffer, as part of this process, as part of the negotiation process. I would note that this is a technical change -- would be if instated -- to the way that economists calculate inflation, and it would affect every program that has -- that uses the CPI in its calculations. And so its not directed at one particular program; it would affect every program that uses CPI. There are also -- as part of the Presidents proposals, he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change.
But lets be clear, this is something that the Republicans have asked for, and as part of an effort to find common ground with the Republicans, the President has agreed to put this in his proposal -- agreed to have this as part of a broad deficit reduction package that includes asking the wealthiest to pay more so that we can achieve the kind of revenue targets that are necessary for a balanced approach to deficit reduction.
Thom Hartmann had sharp words for the use of this CPI.
The pure cruelty of the chained cpi
If Obama goes along with a chained CPI, he will be the first Democratic President in the history of the Party to have actually cut Social Security. Even though it doesnt do a thing nothing! to reduce the budget deficit. And, as we saw with Bill Clinton reforming welfare, once the Republicans can corner a Democratic president into shooting a Democratic Santa Claus, the Republicans can finish the job through the death of a thousand paper cuts over the next decade and in the states, and everybody just remembers that it was a Democratic President who started it.
Bernie Sanders had equally strong words.
Chained CPI: An economic, moral disaster
The so-called chained CPI is Washington shorthand for one of the most-talked-about cuts favored by Republicans and some Democrats.
Unfortunately, few outside the Beltway understand its consequences. It is a devious and underhanded way to wage class warfare against working families.
Wall Street billionaires and other supporters claim that changing the consumer price index is a minor tweak. Tell that to the millions of senior citizens trying to survive on just $14,000 a year whose Social Security benefits would be cut overall by $112 billion during the next decade.
Average 65-year-olds would get $650 a year less in benefits when they turn 75 and see a $1,000 a year cut when they turn 85.
It really upsets me that Democrats are putting this on the table. It also upsets me to see so many excusing it for various reasons. They have pounded this austerity, fiscal cliff stuff into our heads until it is part of the language.
I add to that the frustration and anger I personally feel over the casual way people are accepting the privatization of public education, the way so many are in denial that it is happening.
Being the first Democratic president to cut Social Security, being a Democratic president who is finalizing the Bush family plans for education reform.....that is a legacy that needs to be rethought very soon.
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If no cuts to Social Security, why must the president include "protections for the vulnerable?" [View all]
madfloridian
Feb 2013
OP
Then let those who disagree with OP do it without substance-less first-post knee-jerk disapproval.
Hissyspit
Feb 2013
#95
Obama's plan includes chained CPI which = CUTS. It may be that this is some kind of 3-dimensional
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#48
Except that's not the counterproposal in entirety, is it? Honestly, now....is it?
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#122
2/3 of SS recipients rely on it for 50% or more of their income, and the top 1/3 gets taxed on
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#140
Protections for the vulnerable. That's the fact. Plus, the Repubs will NEVER accept that proposal.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#156
You can believe what you want. Free country. But it's a meaningless proposal.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#158
and there's no harm in raising a stink when any politician makes such a proposal. to let them
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#159
By waiting and seeing, deals get implemented without input or protest from the affected
tpsbmam
Feb 2013
#147
The naysayers have *not* been proven wrong-- the pollyanna, "trust him" gang has been
Marr
Feb 2013
#54
Sounds like the poor on Social Security won't be affected by chained CPI, anyway.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#121
She's questioning authority. Bringing important facts and truths to our attention.
Zorra
Feb 2013
#20
I imagine his next post: are you now or have you ever been a Naderite Republican?
Dragonfli
Feb 2013
#26
Does this mean you support Republicans putting SS cuts on the table, claiming
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#155
Here's a page of polls from google..perhaps those up for election in 2014 need to beware.
madfloridian
Feb 2013
#10
As Clinton's Chief of Staff, Bowles brokered a deal between Clinton and Gingrich
MannyGoldstein
Feb 2013
#14
Actually, that REALLY IS one of the rationalizations used here, for reallzies:
Dragonfli
Feb 2013
#30
That was then. This is now. I have criticized Clinton for things like that.
madfloridian
Feb 2013
#46
If this is the benefits cuts Republicans want, why aren't they jumping on it? n/t
ProSense
Feb 2013
#44
New poll out from The Hill. 62% of Republicans oppose cuts. 82% of Democrats.
madfloridian
Feb 2013
#69
Well, yes, defaulting on all foreign-held bonds would decrease the deficit also
Recursion
Feb 2013
#87
Honestly? because theft is not an option, it isn't really true it's accounting fraud
Dragonfli
Feb 2013
#88
We "owe" SS retirees precisely what we legally obligate ourselves to pay them
Recursion
Feb 2013
#89
Here are a bunch of links from a google search of "social security cuts 2013"
madfloridian
Feb 2013
#83
That's the big question at the heart of that statement isn't it? Pretty damn sad. K&R nt
riderinthestorm
Feb 2013
#94
For those who don't understand, this is how you flush away overwhelming advantage
Demo_Chris
Feb 2013
#130