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Gorp

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13. The day/era 4 thing with the sun has always baffled me. Where did "light" come from on day one?
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:39 PM
Feb 2013

But you hit the key point - "before humans existed there was no oral history". That's exactly the reason Genesis has to be allegory, or at least fable. It's not as bad as telling children that storks bring babies or babies are found in a cabbage patch, but it's the same sort of thing. "Daddy, where did the moon come from?" Kids seek answers.

Our approach has always been to be honest with the kids. My eldest asked me about something when she was about three and I gave her the full scientific explanation (something like "how does a lightbulb work?&quot . She sat there for a few moments digesting what I had just said and responded, "yeah", as if to confirm that I had gotten the correct answer. It took everything I had to avoid exploding in laughter.

We can no more prove that a god does not exist than we can prove that one does, although the lightening strike on the vatican an hour after the pope announced his resignation is pretty good evidence, just not conclusive. What makes you good or bad is how you are perceived by other creatures, mammal, insect, acquatic, or otherwise. A butterfly knows who is safe to land on and who is not. Critters have an instinct we can't hope to comprehend because we've abandoned such things. But even if you restrict it to humans, sometimes you can just tell something isn't right with someone.

Sartre's take on it was "hell is other people". I'm inclined to agree. Perhaps the worst outcome of death would to be stuck for all eternity watching home movies, reruns, of your own life. For those who are at peace with themselves, you could call that a heaven. For most of us, it would be a hell. But nobody can know until that time arrives, and by then there's nothing you can do about it. Arlo Guthrie's "Last Train to Glory" comes to mind.





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"tantamount to abuse of our children." ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #1
Further proof that there are rational, reasonable theists. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2013 #2
The irony is that the "seven day" thing can be completely true,... Gorp Feb 2013 #3
nice points. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #4
I've been discussing the concept of co-existance of creationism and evolution since the 70's. Gorp Feb 2013 #5
Creationism and evolution really can't coexist. At least not if you mean "special creation" or ID. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #6
You can use the definition you provided or what's currently called "guided evolution". Gorp Feb 2013 #7
Nah, we live in a freckled face kid!s computer nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #9
I don't do cosmology - I'm not into makeup. Gorp Feb 2013 #10
I don't have a problem with a God "imagining a universe." yellowcanine Feb 2013 #12
It's also a good description of the awareness of modesty (with regards to naughty bits). Gorp Feb 2013 #14
There's nothing in creationism that is science Bradical79 Feb 2013 #8
Right - any creator is not science. I misspoke. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #16
a whole new meaning to the big bang? ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #19
"Eras" doesn't quite work either because the earth exists before the sun does. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #11
The day/era 4 thing with the sun has always baffled me. Where did "light" come from on day one? Gorp Feb 2013 #13
"hell is other people" Alternatively, if we are honest, "hell is other people and myself." yellowcanine Feb 2013 #17
I think "No Exit" at least implied that. Gorp Feb 2013 #21
No. It can't... SidDithers Feb 2013 #15
"uninformed ramblings of bronze age mystics". "uniformed" by science, anyways. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #18
I disagree. There were three primary authors of Genesis (as far as we know). Gorp Feb 2013 #20
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