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In reply to the discussion: Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)212. The Nation has been AWOL on the story.
From someone else who noticed something amiss:
Max Holland Rescues the Warren Commission and The Nation
Note: This version has been updated and revised beyond what was originally published in this issue.
By Gary L. Aguilar
The Nation Magazine has long been one of the most perceptive and eloquent voices for skepticism in publishing. Its revelations over the years have established it as one of the few national media outlets that truly functions as a watchdog in the public interest. It has always been an early voice, often the first, to question official pronouncements -- on Vietnam, on Watergate, on Iran-Contra, on Guatemala, on Haiti, and Chile. When, for example, CIA man Richard Helms told the U.S. Senate that the CIA played no role in demolishing Chiles democracy in 1973, The Nation called his testimony exactly what it was: perjury.(1)
But on JFKs murder, The Nation has inexplicably kept shut the skeptical eye it normally keeps cocked at outfits like FBI, the CIA and the military the very groups it has so often caught lying, and the very groups that produced virtually all the evidence the Warren Commission said disproved conspiracy.
The Nation raised nary an eyebrow at the apparent ease with which the FBI was able to prove right FBI boss J. Edgar Hoovers astounding clairvoyance--announced on the very night JFK died and before any investigation--that Lee Harvey Oswald had done it all by himself. It never wondered whether the Warren Commissions bias toward the FBIs solution--plainly evident already during the Commissions very first meeting--might have been abetted by Hoovers having employed one of his favorite dirty tricks: file-checking the Commissioners for dirt.
Given that the public hasnt believed the Warren Commission since the late 60s, and since its no-conspiracy verdict was officially reversed in 1978 by the House Select Committee (HSCA), it is hard to fathom why The Nation, of all magazines, continues to toe the old line. In recent years, its in-house experts have been Alexander Cockburn and Max Holland. Skeptics like Peter Dale Scott and John Newman, whose credentials far surpass those of Cockburn and Holland in this case, have been restricted to limited responses on the letters-to-the-editor page.
SNIP...
A more sophisticated understanding doesnt lead one to trust the government more, as Holland would have it, but less. Confining his gaze to the myriad government conspiracies betokened by the words Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra, and CIA and FBI abuses, doesnt give the government its due. And it doesnt reflect the changing nature of what properly constitutes paranoia today.
SNIP...
Had the documents themselves not been declassified, Hofstadter would likely have called crackpot a recent AP report that cited secret FBI memos linking the FBIs J. Edgar Hoover to breathtaking lawlessness. On July 28, 2002, AP reported, For more than 20 years, FBI headquarters in Washington knew that its Boston agents were using hit men and mob leaders as informants and shielding them from prosecution for serious crimes including murder. It also reported that a known murderer was allowed by the FBI to go free, as four innocent men were sent to prison in his place.(29)
SNIP...
Once-secret records demonstrate a pattern in Kennedy we are unaccustomed to seeing in presidents: rather than JFK following advice on critical issues--the way presidents usually do, the way LBJ did--Kennedy often ignored it. He withstood pressure from the CIA and the military to follow-up the foundering Bay of Pigs invasion with a military assault on Cuba.(160) He rejected advice to use force in Laos, pushing against the defense establishment to achieve an ultimately successful negotiated settlement.(161) He shouldered aside the defense and intelligence establishments to advance a nuclear test ban treaty with the Soviets.(162) And as May and Zelikov note, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, taped conversations prove that JFK was often the only one in the room (full of advisors) who is determined not to go to war.(163)
CONTINUED...
http://www.ctka.net/pr900-holland.html
So, even the vanguard of the liberal press goes all taboo when it comes to Dallas.
PS: A hearty welcome to DU, kellieat44! I very much appreciate you grokking what's up with Corporate McPravda and Fiends.
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Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press [View all]
Octafish
Feb 2013
OP
Mass media has been ignoring lots of inconvenient truths. For a long time. nt
kelliekat44
Mar 2013
#289
Yet run-away-brides and other such "news" must be investigated and theorized at every angle.
shcrane71
Feb 2013
#59
Who reported JFK ordered CIA, Joint Chiefs to shelve first-strike nuclear war plans for 1963?
Octafish
Feb 2013
#213
Until I looked out the window on the actual floor I thought the shot was impossible. Now I know.....
Logical
Feb 2013
#5
Ever read Craig Roberts' book, "Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza"?....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#21
Many people have recreated this shot with no trouble at all. Here is some descriptions....
Logical
Feb 2013
#42
I'll stick with the statements made by guys who were actual snipers and had performed under less....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#45
People love thinking a lone gunman could not do this. It scares them. But it is the truth. n-t
Logical
Feb 2013
#46
Funny, I thought we were discussing the JFK assassination. If you want to discuss....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#69
So the single bullet theory is what your whole argument is based on? Really? Because I can....
Logical
Feb 2013
#103
How sad for you that you actually believe Specter's Folly. Good luck and so long! nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#136
Oswald had a Top Secret Crypto clearance at the time he was stationed in Japan as....
OldDem2012
Mar 2013
#286
JFK wore a back brace....that kept him upright in the limo. Additionally, I don't see JFK waving
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#70
I'm sorry, I guess JFK didn't get the memo as to what he should do with his arm. nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#83
Yeah....that would ruin that whole Warren Commission thing, wouldn't it? nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#138
Ah, yes, the same HSCA report that ultimately concluded that there were at least two shooters,
MadHound
Feb 2013
#97
The same HSCA report which concluded that Oswald fired all the shots which struck JFK
nyquil_man
Feb 2013
#107
You are incorrect. The HSCA later changed their opinion after seeing new evidence
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#171
LOL, did you read the links to the source? Or does the source thing confuse you? And.....
Logical
Feb 2013
#102
You were quoting Wikipedia, not the sources that may or may not have been used
MadHound
Feb 2013
#104
I'd rather be open-minded about political assassinations than whatever it is you claim to be. nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#140
What cracks me up are the Conspiracy Theorists who believe in the Magic Bullet
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#161
None of the conspiracy theories deny Oswald was at that location & shot at JFK.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#81
OK, LOL, maybe 5 feet to the right of it. VISUALIZE. Here is a photo for you. Your issue..
Logical
Mar 2013
#324
RFK, Jr. is no ''moron.'' Why would you call a liberal Democrat that and the other things, Archae?
Octafish
Feb 2013
#36
+1. Thanks for taking up for a fine, intelligent man. A bit of an activist, but other than that,
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#84
That picture of Porter Goss and the company he keeps is quite telling and frightening.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#293
Lets face it, people LOVE conspiracy's. A lone gunman is boring. A huge government......
Logical
Feb 2013
#4
Oliver Stone is a nutcase, IMO. Still, Oswald had a friend involved with the mob.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#87
You don't know? Have you ever watched any of the numerous documentaries on the assassination or
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#90
Gee, I wonder if this will turn into yet another "Who shot JFK" conspiracy theory post?...
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#6
Why was it pulled from vaccines? Because of the sort of irrational fear RFK Jr was stoking.
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2013
#89
And uses, again, the flimisiest of pretexts to talk about a fifty year old crime that was solved
apocalypsehow
Feb 2013
#139
A can of tuna contains 2 1/2 times as much mercury as a vaccine with thimerosal...
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#182
I couldn't find where the FDA said there's a link between thimerosal and autism...
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#186
The FDA is concerned about the link between mercury levels and neuropathology...
AntiFascist
Feb 2013
#191
I'd love to see this, but there's no way that staunch corporatist Charlie Rose
amandabeech
Feb 2013
#7
But most of the population believes that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy, regardless.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#10
In 1964 Britain, Lord Bertrand Russell asked about the failure of the press...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#33
Bertrand Russell, one of the century's greatest philosophers & mathematicians?
JackRiddler
Feb 2013
#71
"Respectable people" like those who have much to hide? The same folks who are enmeshed....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#40
Bill Moyers: '... it is quite revealing that it's Oliver Stone that's forcing Congress to open up...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#34
American mass media are tools of propaganda for the State (read: Ownership Class)
Octafish
Feb 2013
#58
Betsy lewis: so ignorant she doesn't know it's "Hear, hear" not "Here, here".
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#25
How long do you really think the hit team lived after completing their task in Dealey Plaza? nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#51
I don't care if even one person didn't agree with me, lynne. I'll continue to post on JFK, RFK, MLK.
Octafish
Feb 2013
#199
Thank you. Your posts are important and significant to many thinking people.
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#201
you can write that with a straight face? anderson fucking vanderbilt cooper did hours on
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#285
The fact that it was that film that began to cause many people to begin doubting
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#172
Yes, conspirators are annoying. They let others tell them stories about what happened in
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#210
Your entire comment is based on a personal opinion that anyone who dares to ask
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#221
It is most troubling, seeing the way history has unfolded since that terrible day.
Octafish
Feb 2013
#134
If the geometry works, why did WC member and FBI spy Gerald Ford have to alter the report?
Octafish
Feb 2013
#216
Was that the photo Regis BLAHUT was looking at? The guy CIA had at HSCA before George Joannides?
Octafish
Mar 2013
#237
Nothing to laugh at, William Seger. Ford was FBI stooge who obstructed justice.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#243
And using computers, Peter Jackson can make cave trolls act like real live creatures,
MadHound
Feb 2013
#95
The computer-generated view from the TSBD if the Secret Service had stayed on the car...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#119
You're using an article written for the LA Times as a rebuttal? Really?? nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#143
Excerpts from the book "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters"
Ghost Dog
Mar 2013
#302
My observation is that the more people are silenced, the more curious they become
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#99
Right wingers, like the Bush gang eg. See Octafish's links in his response to me.
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#159
Well, put it this way. I would believe the Democratic Kennedy kids over the lying,
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#170
Yes, if it doesn't matter, why does it matter? The most obvious explanation is that it involves CIA.
patrice
Feb 2013
#127
OR...this was fifty years ago, and the Public (and media) are focused on more topical matters...
brooklynite
Feb 2013
#155
Such as: L.A. County coroner changes Natalie Wood's cause of death (31 years)
johnnyreb
Feb 2013
#156
You mean like what the Kardashians are doing lately? Yes, you are certainly correct
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#160
'The web keeps the story alive.' Thank you for the heads-up. Here's a bit more from Bill Kelly...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#198
“A smart researcher might come in and see some connections that the government doesn’t,”
doublethink
Feb 2013
#205
Immediately after the assassination, government agencies were specifically directed...
AntiFascist
Feb 2013
#208
Thanks for pointing out the abuses within the criminal justice system doublethink...
AntiFascist
Mar 2013
#251
Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade was poised to profit off JFK files
Octafish
Mar 2013
#254
Not help U.S. citizens make vital public choices? Like choosing Democrats over Republicans?
AntiFascist
Feb 2013
#178
It is possible to 'regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies.'
Octafish
Feb 2013
#209
Chomsky credits Alex Carey. For some reason, re Dallas, he agrees with Alexander Coburn.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#229
Groden told the truth to the HSCA. What you post is from the OJ trial. That's disingenuous.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#269
Here's someone to know: Secret Service Agent Abraham Bolden, the first African American on WH Detail
Octafish
Mar 2013
#271
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on..."
MinM
Mar 2013
#320
@johnsimkin: Cartha (Deke) DeLoach, the man who helped LBJ cover-up the assassination of JFK...
MinM
Mar 2013
#327
Maybe I should of ended the above post with "Oh wait" ... or something like that.
doublethink
Mar 2013
#258
Your list of names and the pdf file found with the link is very interesting.
AnotherMcIntosh
Mar 2013
#303
"out there" is apparently some kind of word code for politicians & staff, msm, because "it can't
bobthedrummer
Mar 2013
#246
What theory? RFK's kids expressed their father's thoughts that the assassins are at large.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#312