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Still Blue in PDX

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27. Not to cause a resurgence of the (theoretical) war on Christmas, but . . .
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:12 PM
Feb 2013

Why Christmas carols make the church feel nervous
Some Christmas songs have origins that go back to pagan times.

Christmas wouldn’t be Christmas without the sound of carols, but we often forget that in centuries past it made the Christian church feel slightly uncomfortable. In the early thirteenth century, St Francis wrote some hymns on the theme of the nativity which were decorously sung as part of the liturgy, but the more rumbustious musical celebration of Christmas has always taken place as much outside church as inside it.

Many of the oldest examples, for example, the anonymous The Holly and the Ivy, The Twelve Days of Christmas or the Boar’s Head Carol, probably have pagan origins in ritual fertility dances and singing games which the more puritanical wing of the Reformation did not approve of. Oliver Cromwell went so far as to ban carol singing during the latter years of the Commonwealth, although this proved about as effective as Labour’s hunting ban, and was swiftly rescinded.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6827563/Why-Christmas-carols-make-the-church-feel-nervous.html

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All I want is a burka for Christmas!! La, La, La, La, Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #1
Oh, the fun we could have rewriting Christmas songs for other faiths riqster Feb 2013 #2
Why would atheists celebrate Christmas? HappyMe Feb 2013 #7
For the gifts, dummy! Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #10
Here's one! Still Blue in PDX Feb 2013 #23
Not to cause a resurgence of the (theoretical) war on Christmas, but . . . Still Blue in PDX Feb 2013 #27
Here's one from Tom Lehrer riqster Feb 2013 #28
Then why are businesses required to accommodate religious objection as practical? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #3
Are you saying the United States is NOT a secular nation? MNBrewer Feb 2013 #4
Its a hybrid, mostly historical roots ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #9
Do, Please, Sir, Expound Further On This.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #5
It depends on the level and degree ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #12
That Does Not Advance The Conversation, Professor.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #13
Tax exempt status has nothing to do with "reasonable accommodation to popular feelings" ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #16
If You Think It Has Nothing To Do with Popular Feelings, Professor The Magistrate Feb 2013 #18
Churches are considered charities under the tax code Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #11
That is mostly a legacy from medieval times ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #14
Not really... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #17
Further to this I believe the lack of taxation is seen as part of the separation of Church and State ieoeja Feb 2013 #39
Yes - But some of them cross the line regularly Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #41
Because the 1st amendment establishes freedom of religion. cbayer Feb 2013 #22
That only applies to the government not private individuals ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #24
What only applies to government? Non-profit status applies to all non-profit cbayer Feb 2013 #29
Agree with lax IRS enforcement of the 501(c)3 standards. pinto Feb 2013 #31
Localities can control Costco much more than a churches ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #33
What has it done to neighborhoods, for better or worse? pinto Feb 2013 #38
I generally believe that even non-profits should pay their fair share of community costs ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #40
Exempt Purposes - Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(3) pinto Feb 2013 #30
That exemption is also extended to property taxes in most jurisdictions ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #34
Yeah.....and? HappyMe Feb 2013 #6
You must teach me, George Michael. You must teach me the ways of the secular flesh. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #8
The nation is, but a lot of the people aren't slackmaster Feb 2013 #15
Another clue: the US census magellan Feb 2013 #19
One side of my ancestry got here in 1774, the rest in the 1800's riqster Feb 2013 #20
I hear you magellan Feb 2013 #21
Same here on the French side riqster Feb 2013 #25
Certainly. I would be outraged if Congress passed a law respecting the establishment of religion, Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #26
Constitutionally it is decidedly neutral in regards religion. Neither supporting nor obstructing. pinto Feb 2013 #32
Correct. riqster Feb 2013 #35
Yet we have Federal laws like RLUIPA ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #36
I'm unfamiliar with RLUIPA, but for background found this via Wikipedia, fwiw - pinto Feb 2013 #37
Which is exactly why I'm 10000% against a new constitutional convention. Initech Feb 2013 #42
Fuckin' hell, NO! riqster Feb 2013 #43
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