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jmg257

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75. Yep. Glad you said "needed". I agree. Concessions would be

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:14 PM

Feb 2013

In only going after AW and hi-caps and background checks. Plenty more could be done to really make a difference, including things being discussed at numerous state levels. Limited Grandfathering, registration, strictor bans, ammo control and the like. Lots of the things that would be more effective in reducing guns/gun violence, things that get past the NRA complaint of limitations on 'cosmetic features' they state do nothing anyway.

So instance, you give up new purchases of ARs, and you get to keep the ones you already own. You get to buy a new SA pistol, but only if it comes with 10 round mags. Concessions. *In NY, you can keep your AW, you just have to license it. You cankeep your 10 rnd mags, but you can only load 7 rounds. You can carry pistols concealed, but you your permit must b renewed every 5 years. Concessions.

*of course we'll see if these new laws stand up to scrutiny soon enough.

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The NRA is utterly shameless (Recent tweet). [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 OP

The NRA exists to sell firearms TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #1

Hence why they are against universal background checks. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #9

So wait the NRA is tracking guns sales Drale Feb 2013 #2

Only 4.5 million of the 80 million firearm owners are members of the NRA. ... spin Feb 2013 #3

They would have bought more if they were available ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #4

Well, isn't that lovely for their manufacturers... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #6

Not so much ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #10

Well, Let's All Shed A Tear For The Gun Merchants, Shall We? Paladin Feb 2013 #13

Union jobs (manufacturing) and small businesses are worthless to you? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #16

A Lecture From You On The "Real World," Professor? Your "Real World"? Paladin Feb 2013 #17

I am not the solipsist here ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #18

Credit Where Credit's Due: That's A Good Set Of Standards. Paladin Feb 2013 #19

Why ban pistol magazines that protrude beneath the grip? Peter cotton Feb 2013 #25

To eliminate snail magazines and other extended magazines for handguns ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #43

Hm...what about the FN Five Seven? Peter cotton Feb 2013 #47

No problem there. It fits in the handle and is the standard magazine for the pistol. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #51

While your proposal is easily understood, I don't see the point. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #87

Mostly its a concession to those who think magazine size matters ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #90

It's an interesting approach, but I've never seen anything like it being proposed Peter cotton Mar 2013 #93

I have better taste than to be a lawyer or legislator ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #95

Required? TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #20

Yes required. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #21

I see. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #22

Its legitimate sport shooting...something you ignorantly dismissed and disparaged ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #41

Legitimate or not, it doesn't mean it can't be changed. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #53

Just like AWBs ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #55

very scarce is correct, I've had a back ordered semi auto rifle since before christmas loli phabay Feb 2013 #29

What's wrong with the AR-15? badtoworse Feb 2013 #5

Well, besides being the chosen weapon of choice for James Holmes and Adam Lanza....nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #8

It has been the most popular sport rifle for over a decade and is very prevalent ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #11

Adam Lanza had numerous weapons of his mothers from which to choose. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #12

And Cho choose two pistols at Va Tech hack89 Feb 2013 #15

Yes mwrguy Feb 2013 #27

So what guns would you allow the public to own? nt hack89 Feb 2013 #32

The kind that you can't use to kill a bunch of kindergardeners mwrguy Feb 2013 #34

So no guns for the public? hack89 Feb 2013 #35

It's responses like yours that make the NRA credible badtoworse Feb 2013 #36

When it comes to indulging their deadly little hobby - gun fondling - the pro-NRA crowd simply apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #61

absolutely mwrguy Feb 2013 #66

Thanks! apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #70

You keep repeating that like it means something. bluedigger Feb 2013 #30

Just making clear that ownership of an AR type if very common among active shooters ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #42

That's usually what our Gungeoneer "professor's"* lesson plan usually consists of: circular logic, apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #62

They could have chosen any semi-auto rifle with a detachable magazine badtoworse Feb 2013 #23

Likely why the AK is included in AW bans? As are limits on mag capacity? nt jmg257 Feb 2013 #24

The near-unrestricted access to it. Too easy for too many to get at one (or more). nt jmg257 Feb 2013 #26

The technology has been around for decades badtoworse Feb 2013 #33

"All of a sudden"? Were you born after 1994? jmg257 Feb 2013 #37

I remember the AWB well badtoworse Feb 2013 #38

Yeah - so right wing NFA dupes keep telling "us". jmg257 Feb 2013 #39

The new laws are always more restrictive badtoworse Feb 2013 #40

Since what advocates want is to drastically reduce the number of guns jmg257 Feb 2013 #56

I only want to take away some of your civil rights is a concession? badtoworse Feb 2013 #58

Limit for the better of the community. The common good...just why govts are formed. jmg257 Feb 2013 #65

Franklin had something to say about your point and he was a wise man badtoworse Feb 2013 #67

So did Robert Yates. Of course the bill of rights are securities jmg257 Feb 2013 #68

The SCOTUS has always held that some limitations on civil rights are needed badtoworse Feb 2013 #71

Yep. Glad you said "needed". I agree. Concessions would be jmg257 Feb 2013 #75

You seem to be pocketing an awful lot if you think those things represent concessions badtoworse Feb 2013 #78

Adam Lanza had mental problems. Yet he was able to access a legally owned AR. jmg257 Feb 2013 #79

We can improve the background checks but no system will be perfect. badtoworse Mar 2013 #80

And I'm not buying the argument that just because semi auto rifles.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #86

There is a lot more to valid controls then just background checks. jmg257 Mar 2013 #96

Another reason I'm glad I HappyMe Feb 2013 #7

You nailed it. AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #14

Thereby proving that they represent gun manufacturers and no one else The Blue Flower Feb 2013 #28

Fucking enablers of slaughter malaise Feb 2013 #31

It's a shame... valiberal26 Feb 2013 #44

Seriously? badtoworse Feb 2013 #45

Quite. valiberal26 Feb 2013 #46

You probably wonder why the NRA (and numerous other gun owners) won't give an inch on the issue badtoworse Feb 2013 #48

Funny. valiberal26 Feb 2013 #50

You might be surprised; go on. badtoworse Feb 2013 #52

Why? valiberal26 Feb 2013 #54

You've made your intentions pretty plain badtoworse Feb 2013 #57

Not true. valiberal26 Feb 2013 #60

You're too naive about this to discuss it further. Have a good night. badtoworse Feb 2013 #63

Translation: "I lost this debate so now I'm just gonna call names and run off." apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #69

I'm still here badtoworse Feb 2013 #72

Of course you are. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #73

I will be glad to tell my GLBT friends that being bashed is just a petty quarrel ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #77

Oh, cut the crap. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #88

I suggest you do the same**2 ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #89

Spot-on reply - wish we could recommend individual posts. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #64

Yet another person for total confiscation. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #74

"Logged and noted." IveWornAHundredPants Mar 2013 #82

There are those here who claim no one here is for total confiscation ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #83

Well, I guess we all have to keep ourselves busy somehow. IveWornAHundredPants Mar 2013 #92

Bytes are cheap ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #94

They're fucked up fuckers! Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #49

Yes, and so are their shills & sycophants; truly a morally repulsive organization. Also: see sig. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #59

I don't understand the outrage on this. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #76

Really? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #81

By "priorities" do you mean ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #84

For some, I think they do. At least subconsciously. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #85

OK. I think I understand your position now. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #97

Most strutting adolescents trying to look like "real men" are shameless. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #91