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Jackpine Radical

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60. Oh, Manny, maybe by reform they mean to increase the monthly payments.

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Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:12 PM

Mar 2013

Have to go now. The voices are getting rather insistent.

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Why do Obama and Pelosi keep perpetuating the mandate to reform Social Security and Medicare? [View all] TheProgressive Mar 2013 OP

Because they are ignorant or ill. nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #1

Greed is a mental illness....that and ignorance is destroying America. TheProgressive Mar 2013 #9

They are acting like front men for the banks and corporations, woo me with science Mar 2013 #20

Yep. Politicians are spending all their time fundraising. octoberlib Mar 2013 #30

Actually, because some "reform" to both systems is needed. That does not mean kelliekat44 Mar 2013 #45

I very much agree with you. pennylane100 Mar 2013 #79

way too complicated... stillcool Mar 2013 #121

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "reform" on the table is switching to the chained CPI MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #137

No. SS is good thru 2090 according to the SS Trustees FogerRox Mar 2013 #140

Oh, Manny, maybe by reform they mean to increase the monthly payments. Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #60

Because they are in bed with Pete Peterson duffyduff Mar 2013 #118

Perhaps they are trying to drive the unions together . . . ? nt patrice Mar 2013 #2

I don't think threatening to harm SS and Medicare is the right tack...nt TheProgressive Mar 2013 #4

Don't unions need one another? Yeah, it's not the right tack for some of them, but others patrice Mar 2013 #13

Yeah! Maybe that's what Limbaugh's doing, too! Marr Mar 2013 #66

tack marybourg Mar 2013 #14

tanks...! TheProgressive Mar 2013 #17

BTW, the phrase is "... couldn't care less ..." if they "could care less" that means that they care. patrice Mar 2013 #21

lmfao Marr Mar 2013 #64

You may have noticed that I mentioned a couple of things that are driving unions apart. patrice Mar 2013 #70

because they are corporate lapdogs who do as they' like nearly everyone else in national politics.... bowens43 Mar 2013 #3

Yes, but this is an assault on us 300 million... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #6

If 'reform' meant higher benefits ... earthside Mar 2013 #5

Well said and is exactly my points as well. TheProgressive Mar 2013 #8

Well said! Open Medicare to all, raise the cap on the payroll tax. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #33

+1 Liberalynn Mar 2013 #56

I am starting to think they do have a mandate..... djean111 Mar 2013 #7

Nancy Pelosi doesn't care because she's rich. Obama is a millionaire kenny blankenship Mar 2013 #10

Because the GOP can't get away with it n/t leftstreet Mar 2013 #11

You're right Nite Owl Mar 2013 #12

It is infuriating Blecht Mar 2013 #15

Yes, ProSense Mar 2013 #16

Thanks for this...And... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #18

What does any of this have to do with the Deficit? Aren't we supposed to be sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #23

Here: ProSense Mar 2013 #25

I asked about SS and Medicare. Not HC, what do those programs have to do with sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #28

You asked ProSense Mar 2013 #31

I agree with your premise Sabrina... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #32

True, but none of it had anything to do with the specific cause of the deficit. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #36

Absolutely correct... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #40

Our current NeoLiberal "Free Trade" obsession has to be figurend in too. bvar22 Mar 2013 #120

Yes, Bill signed this into law... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #125

Their "fixing" the deficit makes it worse: patrice Mar 2013 #37

This should all be its own OP. This info is too important for people to miss in a reply. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #96

Weeeee, a 25% drop in "donut hole" costs by 2020, how will that cut the deficit? just1voice Mar 2013 #102

"All America needs to do ..." "...they could care less ..." = absurdities. Talking as though what's patrice Mar 2013 #19

I am not sure what you are saying here... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #29

That's your phrasing, you should explain it, because it is absurdly over-simplified. nt patrice Mar 2013 #35

It is simple. TheProgressive Mar 2013 #41

I already know that. You didn't say specifically how to make that happen. nt patrice Mar 2013 #50

How? TheProgressive Mar 2013 #53

And of course, you are saying CONGRESS should do these things, because presidents aren't kings. nt patrice Mar 2013 #57

... presidents aren't kings AND they don't write legislation, but then, I bet you know that. nt patrice Mar 2013 #58

You asked for the how and I provided the means. TheProgressive Mar 2013 #61

So specify the legislative process, resources (including persons) & timeline, since it's so simple. patrice Mar 2013 #67

Ok... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #72

Good question. We might not like the answers when we finally get them. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #22

"Do they think we are stupid?" That's a stupid question ..and yes they do think we are that stupid. L0oniX Mar 2013 #26

I had a cousin who recently passed on Plucketeer Mar 2013 #68

Could it be that it -is- The Grand Bargain? HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #24

If there were no cuts being implemented, they would be saying that Doctor_J Mar 2013 #27

Well, duh, they are expertly and brilliantly faking out the Repugs! MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #34

Apply Occum's Razor. 99Forever Mar 2013 #38

because there is no other way to get $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction hfojvt Mar 2013 #39

The deficit has nothing to do with these trust programs, NOTHING. Cleita Mar 2013 #43

Because these programs NorthCarolina Mar 2013 #44

You're just wrong about that. Recursion Mar 2013 #80

Do you have a link for that piece of misinformation? Because everything I read about Cleita Mar 2013 #84

Do you get how bonds work? Recursion Mar 2013 #87

Get this through your head. The deficit is not the problem of the Social Security trust fund. Cleita Mar 2013 #88

Certainly we *can*, it's just a bad idea Recursion Mar 2013 #89

A thief *can* burglarize your home, but it's still theft just as this is. Cleita Mar 2013 #91

There's nothing criminal about changing benefit formulas Recursion Mar 2013 #93

You know the duck theory don't you? Cleita Mar 2013 #94

It is a default on a debt, and the American citizens are the biggest holder of Federal debt Samantha Mar 2013 #139

Also, this is just a ploy to turn the SS fund over to Wall Street and privatize it. Cleita Mar 2013 #92

Forget it Cleita, I have been down this road with him, he believes in Enron style accounting Dragonfli Mar 2013 #132

Arthur Anderson was the accounting firm for Enron. Cleita Mar 2013 #134

US Treasuries are an obligation of the United States of America TheProgressive Mar 2013 #101

Right! It's an obligation from the general fund Recursion Mar 2013 #103

So what? TheProgressive Mar 2013 #105

I think the whole idea John2 Mar 2013 #112

So you are suggesting we pay 50 cents on the dollar for T-Bills? on point Mar 2013 #114

O rly? KamaAina Mar 2013 #81

I don't know either. Cleita Mar 2013 #42

I am several years out for SS and Medicare TheProgressive Mar 2013 #51

But, importantly, a systemic greed. woo me with science Mar 2013 #46

Absolutely... just one more thing to fix in our government. TheProgressive Mar 2013 #54

It has to be fixed "first.* woo me with science Mar 2013 #65

I am totally with you Woo... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #69

Implement Single Payer for Health Care; and CUT THE DAMN DOD by 50% at LEAST!!! on point Mar 2013 #47

Yes, universal single payer Health Security Administration ... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #55

Why? To make themselves appear to be reasonable and accommodating to those GOPers.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #48

Political maneuvers are too complicated for people that look at the world... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #49

You don't get it. The Beltway Media are the ones that are pushing it.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #52

No, I distinctly heard Obama and Pelosi say... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #59

Here's what he said that angered me magellan Mar 2013 #74

Correct. Odd how people appear to think corporate personhood is actively ONLY elsewhere, not ever patrice Mar 2013 #63

Yep, Just wait, you all think you're screwed now, just wait until you become disabled, like me... starzdust22 Mar 2013 #62

The cuts have not happened as of yet... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #73

how are you getting screwed... stillcool Mar 2013 #122

BECAUSE IT IS A DONE DEAL Skittles Mar 2013 #71

Because, by themselves, the Republicans never could. jtuck004 Mar 2013 #75

Here's an idea to save billions on Medicare, red dog 1 Mar 2013 #76

You ask why? I will tell you why! Obama and the Democrats answer to the same boss as Boner and Dustlawyer Mar 2013 #77

For fuck's sake, they do need reforming. Tempest Mar 2013 #78

Raising the age is a cut. C-CPI is a cut. TheProgressive Mar 2013 #82

The only ones I hear calling for an increase in age are Republicans and CEOs Tempest Mar 2013 #90

"Wasting time here"...? TheProgressive Mar 2013 #95

So what increases have you heard about, go ahead.......... just1voice Mar 2013 #100

indeed.. stillcool Mar 2013 #123

and another thing that is done is airplaneman Mar 2013 #83

+ Every single person who understand that Soc Security has a SURPLUS! truedelphi Mar 2013 #86

First off, $16 trillion is the *debt*, not the *deficit* Recursion Mar 2013 #98

Redeeming the trust fund to pay benefits will not significantly increase annual deficits... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #104

my bad - hey I am over 60 airplaneman Mar 2013 #148

Mayeb because people will vote for them whether they are on the side of people truedelphi Mar 2013 #85

The "trust fund" is like me writing an IOU to myself for $2 million, placing it in a safe-deposit Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #97

Well the SS Trust Fund has $2.7 trillion invested in the safest investment in the world... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #107

So how about the government simply issues $100 trillion of Treasuries to the trust fund, Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #109

So how about it? TheProgressive Mar 2013 #111

Why yes I do. But I am not the one claiming that "There is no problems with Social Security". (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #113

There are no problems with SS that cannot be addressed by: TheProgressive Mar 2013 #116

Well I am confused that first you claim that "There is no problems with Social Security", period, Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #117

There are people who think there are problems with SS. TheProgressive Mar 2013 #119

It's the global "austerity" propaganda brought to us by the 1% just1voice Mar 2013 #99

Maybe because they mean it? Because their sponsors demand it? WinkyDink Mar 2013 #106

Welcome to the weekly ... "Obama is about to kill Social Security" thread. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #108

Some of us what to insure SS/Medicare is strengthened and not cut... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #110

Read the posts ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #115

That hair on fire insult is so repug-like just1voice Mar 2013 #142

seems daily...maybe hourly... stillcool Mar 2013 #124

Did you hear Obama speak today? Or Pelosi speak today? TheProgressive Mar 2013 #126

yes. stillcool Mar 2013 #127

So, you heard them talk about SS and Medicare 'reform'? TheProgressive Mar 2013 #129

no. I do not get... stillcool Mar 2013 #130

When government and pundits float... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #131

If you really cared then you'd address the President's seemingly weekly swipes and threats TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #128

Damn, you just scared the hell outta me with that! LOL! freshwest Mar 2013 #133

"The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same." Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #135

Things get noticeably worse when you change shepherd to wolf...nt TheProgressive Mar 2013 #136

Latest news: Most entitlement programs are exempt freshwest Mar 2013 #138

That's the sequester. What about the offers from Obama and Pelosi to advert the sequester... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #141

That's a matter of interpretation from media reports that differ from reality. freshwest Mar 2013 #143

This is why: cui bono Mar 2013 #144

The "Fix" for raising medical costs is UNIVERSAL SINGLE PAYER. Anyone who suggests Vincardog Mar 2013 #145

Lobbying bucks- hay rick Mar 2013 #147

Because America is soon to be a 3rd (way) world country... dtom67 Mar 2013 #146