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11. Yes, candidates need take no responsibility for the way voters decide.

Reply to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:42 PM

Mar 2013

You are absolutely right.

And if I were to do it again, I would STILL reject a ticket with Lieberman.

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2000 New Hampshire. Bush 48.07 Gore 46.80 RALPH NADER 3.90.=Bush 4 electoral votes. [View all] graham4anything Mar 2013 OP

My analysis of the above official statistics in New Hampshire, 2000. graham4anything Mar 2013 #1

Loz? Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #3

I've been saying that from day one. It's like really shitty ''performance art''. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #184

I am beginning to question my commitment to Sparkle Motion. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #2

Nicely done. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #25

I think we have all seen �Bonanza� XRubicon Mar 2013 #35

Nader worked tirelessly to screw Gore. On edit: Nader Nader worked tirelessly to screw America. onehandle Mar 2013 #4

Gore did it to himself. Bonobo Mar 2013 #5

I still can't believe Gore picked a Republican as a running mate Cali_Democrat Mar 2013 #7

Yeah that did not help. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #9

it was a dumb move, from advisors concerned about "values voters" and Clinton's evil unit, no doubt. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #26

If one was so inclined... Bonobo Mar 2013 #186

The blame for the pick ultimately lies with Al Gore, and no one likes Al Gore more than me. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #190

No, people that did not vote for Gore did it to themselves. graham4anything Mar 2013 #8

Yes, candidates need take no responsibility for the way voters decide. Bonobo Mar 2013 #11

So, Cheney was BETTER than Lieberman? jazzimov Mar 2013 #29

Yeah, that is EXACTLY what I said. Bonobo Mar 2013 #31

There are no circumstances whatsoever under which I would vote for a ticket containing Lieberman MNBrewer Mar 2013 #115

Lieberman was my Senator. I voted for him twice in 2000. Jennicut Mar 2013 #138

With Lieberman at the top of the ticket, yes, but . . . brush Mar 2013 #128

"They are the direct cause for those 4 little electoral votes." morningfog Mar 2013 #21

Yes we do. Plus all those Nader told to stay home and don't bother graham4anything Mar 2013 #27

This is such a boring "debate." Let me help you with four easy facts. morningfog Mar 2013 #74

The argument is not that Nader COULDN'T run for president... krispos42 Mar 2013 #193

I agree with much of your post. morningfog Mar 2013 #196

Gore would have needed 32% of the Nader voters to vote for him morningfog Mar 2013 #6

If it comforts you to believe that the Supreme Court elected Bush in 2000, go ahead. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #10

I voted for (shudder!) DLC Gore MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #12

what would you consider to be impartial analysis? hfojvt Mar 2013 #19

Why am I not surprised jazzimov Mar 2013 #30

I'm also a Constitution apologist, a Human Rights apologist, an earned benefits apologist MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #41

You Know Manny Well? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #68

He got 95,000 votes in Florida, and Gore would have won if a tiny fraction of them had gone to him pnwmom Mar 2013 #149

If Nader hadn't run, those 95,000 votes would have each gone to 1 of 3 places MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #156

Oh yeah, sure. A whole bunch of Nader voters would have picked Bush pnwmom Mar 2013 #158

13% of Florida's registered Democrats voted for Bush in 2000. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #160

Ralph Nader himself proudly said he got 50% more voters from Gore than from Bush. pnwmom Mar 2013 #161

SO Nader is a phoney until he says something that you can cling to? morningfog Mar 2013 #168

I'm not talking about Bush. I'm talking about Nader, who gave Bush just enough of an assist pnwmom Mar 2013 #172

There is no such thing as "close enough to steal." morningfog Mar 2013 #175

Mr Objective Fact has spoken DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #15

Thank you! Possible name change... Bonobo Mar 2013 #17

Nader sure seems to get his heart pumping DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #20

My name is based on Bob Graham uber liberal from the state of Florida graham4anything Mar 2013 #154

I don't know about a rightwing bill of goods union_maid Mar 2013 #51

Not to worry, you'll have plenty of time for errands... DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #56

One large pile of misplaced bullshit. morningfog Mar 2013 #18

Another HUGE thank you! You NAILED IT!!! Bonobo Mar 2013 #22

The 2000 Supreme Court interpreted the Constitution. You can claim that they ignored bluestate10 Mar 2013 #87

^^ G_j Mar 2013 #107

Comforts us to know that the SC stole that election? It was treason, and I doubt sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #92

Ding! Ding! Ding! OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #14

maybe because the Supremes hfojvt Mar 2013 #24

All of which only goes to the fact that Gore, or more accurately Donna Brazile, ran Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #36

terrible campaign or not hfojvt Mar 2013 #42

The Nader cost the nation in 2000 deniers are no different than devout global warming deniers. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #70

I have a friend who blames Monica Lewinsky for everything. OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #72

I don't understand the whole "shitty campaign" excuse hfojvt Mar 2013 #84

Brilliant reasoning. Thanks. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #90

The issue that breaks my heart is the 97,000 Nader votes in Florida. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #69

if you talk about Florida hfojvt Mar 2013 #73

There were 97,000 Nader vote in Florida. Bush won Florida by something like 957 votes bluestate10 Mar 2013 #95

yeah, but Nader defenders love to talk about Florida hfojvt Mar 2013 #117

"they can keep bringing it back to SCOTUS and Jeb Bush" Holy shit, wow. morningfog Mar 2013 #169

Bush apologist? hfojvt Mar 2013 #182

You accept, then, that close elections can and will be stolen. So sad. morningfog Mar 2013 #188

Bush, unlike Nader, got 50,460,110 votes hfojvt Mar 2013 #194

Was Bush v. Gore a good decision? morningfog Mar 2013 #195

Where is the evidence that over 60% of them would have punted? hfojvt Mar 2013 #23

I remember watching Nader thucythucy Mar 2013 #54

I'm not the one making the claim. morningfog Mar 2013 #75

you are making the claim hfojvt Mar 2013 #86

Thanks you. You laid some wood to assholes. All I want to see is Nader voters take bluestate10 Mar 2013 #76

an individual Nader voter does not have that much responsibility hfojvt Mar 2013 #94

Each of us arrive at our vote individually. I appreciate your defense of Nader voters bluestate10 Mar 2013 #99

In Florida, he only would have needed 500 Nader voters out of 95,000. pnwmom Mar 2013 #105

I have no opinion on Nader. morningfog Mar 2013 #109

He's a phony. He makes more money for his public interest org pnwmom Mar 2013 #137

But the fault rests with scotus morningfog Mar 2013 #142

He didn't know it would end up at SCOTUS. And if he'd gotten another thousand votes or so, pnwmom Mar 2013 #143

Again, this is all theoretical. Gore won FL and the Presidency, SCOTUS blocked the morningfog Mar 2013 #145

SCOTUS wouldn't have had the opportunity if Nader hadn't chosen to run in the swing states, pnwmom Mar 2013 #147

Nader had every right to run. Those who voted for him every right. morningfog Mar 2013 #148

Of course he had every right. He has every right to be the self-serving phony that he is. pnwmom Mar 2013 #150

LOL! So you admit that Nader didn't violate any laws or the Constitution. So, now morningfog Mar 2013 #151

No, he didn't violate any laws. I never implied that he did. He's just a narcissistic jerk pnwmom Mar 2013 #157

BUt, the ruling is ALL that matters. The ruling is what stopped the democratic process. morningfog Mar 2013 #170

No. The ruling would never have happened if Nader hadn't drawn more votes from Gore supporters pnwmom Mar 2013 #173

You are living in a theoretical world, and legitimizing Bush. morningfog Mar 2013 #174

According to Nader, 38% of his 97,000 Florida voters would have voted for Gore pnwmom Mar 2013 #162

More democracy is a good thing. morningfog Mar 2013 #164

Nader knew from the outset that he didn't have a chance, and he could have concentrated pnwmom Mar 2013 #165

Again, so what. It is irrelevant with respect to the egregious usurpation by the SC. morningfog Mar 2013 #167

Thanks! graham4anything Mar 2013 #177

How could have Gore sucked so bad! Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #13

I was just thinking it was time for a good old fashioned DU Nader shit fest. TransitJohn Mar 2013 #16

I know, right?! eom City Lights Mar 2013 #40

No, this is a continuation of "cudgel people into voting for the 'right' candidate" winter is coming Mar 2013 #141

to add- At the end of the day, that day being Nov. 2016 graham4anything Mar 2013 #28

Here's a question for YOU. Bonobo Mar 2013 #32

The Democratic candidate for President. 100% of the time. graham4anything Mar 2013 #33

You ducked the question. I don't need an essay. Bonobo Mar 2013 #39

you mean 2016 don't you? What election is in 2015. graham4anything Mar 2013 #47

Sanders VS. Lieberman in 2016? Bonobo Mar 2013 #50

You do realize as Democratic party members, both were on the same side 95% of the time graham4anything Mar 2013 #53

So would Nader as Senator be the 60th vote in any vote needed for an important issue? graham4anything Mar 2013 #48

If only Lieberman could beat the republican choice, I would vote for Lieberman. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #80

And 12+ years later your point is? hobbit709 Mar 2013 #34

that 2016 doesn't repeat what happened 1968,1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004 graham4anything Mar 2013 #44

2004: Republican Mike Bloomberg endorsed Bush re-election. nt Union Scribe Mar 2013 #55

what does that have to do with this thread? this thread is about 3rd party runs president graham4anything Mar 2013 #57

You said you wanted to make sure 2004 didn't happen again. Union Scribe Mar 2013 #98

But you have no idea who he voted for do you? (initials JK) graham4anything Mar 2013 #100

Bloomberg fought giving dead 9/11 heroes death benefits. Union Scribe Mar 2013 #111

Cite for BS claim that you know whom he voted for? nt Union Scribe Mar 2013 #112

Again, take this to a different thread. This is about 3rd party candidates. graham4anything Mar 2013 #118

You made a statement of fact, please show evidence of it. nt Union Scribe Mar 2013 #119

In 2013, let's all work together to have a gun-free America. graham4anything Mar 2013 #121

I completely agree with you. In 2016, we will once again be at the end of a 8 year bluestate10 Mar 2013 #81

They luvz the flamebait. morningfog Mar 2013 #77

You still flogging this dead horse? MadHound Mar 2013 #37

Why doesn't even ONE Nader voter say they are proud of their 2000 vote? graham4anything Mar 2013 #45

Ass u me much? MadHound Mar 2013 #60

Hillary earned my vote. Janet Napolitano earned my vote. Hillary45/Napolitano 2016 2020 graham4anything Mar 2013 #61

Well, frankly, none of those people have yet to earn my vote, MadHound Mar 2013 #66

You make it clear that no on ever loses the "right to whine." morningfog Mar 2013 #79

You are an apologist for Bush and the conservatives Justices with this thread. morningfog Mar 2013 #78

If 2% of Nader voters in each state had instead voted for Gore, the Supreme Court would bluestate10 Mar 2013 #83

So what? Only one group acted against the COTUS. morningfog Mar 2013 #93

You're beginning to become ragged. The Supreme Court can't overturn a clear election result, bluestate10 Mar 2013 #106

You are off your rocker. They stopped the election results from proceeding properly. morningfog Mar 2013 #108

Bush won Florida by just over 900 votes. That has been proven by independent recounts bluestate10 Mar 2013 #133

Goddamnit, bush did NOT win FL. morningfog Mar 2013 #134

The OP was clear, 2016 is staring us in the face. If the current track continues, bluestate10 Mar 2013 #82

Frankly, given Hillary's record, I would hesitate to call her a Democrat. MadHound Mar 2013 #122

The old "Why Nader is right" circa August 2000 argument. Where did that get us. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #131

Yeah, except for the fact that we've continued to move backwards, no matter if it is a 'Pug or Dem MadHound Mar 2013 #144

You are ignoring the fact that Nader may have pulled people that would not have voted at all davidn3600 Mar 2013 #38

I care more about the shenanagins in Florida than Hayabusa Mar 2013 #43

Novemeber was New Hampshire's 4 votes. Gore would have had 271. graham4anything Mar 2013 #46

I know, but Hayabusa Mar 2013 #49

So why would a supposed liberal named Nader contribute to that problem? graham4anything Mar 2013 #52

I don't exactly know if he was in on the fix, but he certainly didn't help Hayabusa Mar 2013 #67

I wouldn't have voted for Obama if he had run with Lieberman Democracyinkind Mar 2013 #58

What does Joe Lieberman have to do with this thread?Just a diversion graham4anything Mar 2013 #59

Everything, as my post above makes clear. Democracyinkind Mar 2013 #62

It's not if Jeb Bush gets elected by protesting voters thinking what Nader did graham4anything Mar 2013 #63

Maybe Gore should have appealed to the left more than Nader and got those votes. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #64

"more" Democracyinkind Mar 2013 #65

They should have picked Bob Graham, but that has nothing to do with this thread. graham4anything Mar 2013 #102

If Nader wasn't in the race, what if those who voted for him Apophis Mar 2013 #71

Unlikely. The Nader voters on DU call themselves the strongest possible progressives. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #85

I was just saying who's to say they would have voted for Gore? Apophis Mar 2013 #89

well they did claim Bush wasn't so bad by saying he was just like Gore JI7 Mar 2013 #91

Who are the Nader voters on DU? sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #96

Those people know who they are. I won't make a foolish attempt to call them out, bluestate10 Mar 2013 #113

In which case I will give your comment all the credit it deserves. I did not vote for sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #139

Probably the same who thought good things about Ron Paul graham4anything Mar 2013 #103

Does it ever get old for blaming Ralph Nader for all of the world's problems? I Cant Dance Mar 2013 #88

Truth doesn't have an expiration date. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #114

Only if it were true. I Cant Dance Mar 2013 #146

How many Democrats voted for Bush? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #97

How many democrats voted for Romney. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #116

If Gore wanted progressive votes he should have campaigned for them. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #126

Again? SomethingFishy Mar 2013 #101

Your post is a distraction. The fact is many americans never vote. But those people also bluestate10 Mar 2013 #120

ROFLMAO.. yeah keep saying that SomethingFishy Mar 2013 #130

Is the purpose of this OP to try and ensure that people will vote "D" no matter what djean111 Mar 2013 #104

No. The purpose of the OP is to insure people don't allow someone in that is horribly bluestate10 Mar 2013 #124

you have no way of knowing those votes would have gone to Gore MNBrewer Mar 2013 #110

You have no way of knowing they would have not gone to Gore. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #125

I'm not the one blaming Nader for Gore's loss. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #135

But you are defending Nader and his voters with a chicken shit excuse. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #180

I never said he wouldn't have gotten them. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #192

8 years of Gore - followed by President Joe Lieberman? oberliner Mar 2013 #123

Maybe. But that would still have been infinitely better than 8 years of George W Bush bluestate10 Mar 2013 #127

It's amazing to think how different politics was in 2000 oberliner Mar 2013 #129

And how fucking wrong Nader was. Some people saw through Nader's bullshit. There WAS bluestate10 Mar 2013 #181

I totally agree oberliner Mar 2013 #185

And Florida didn't count all of the votes at all. Handed the highest office via bro to bro.Wake up. judesedit Mar 2013 #132

It's been 12 years n2doc Mar 2013 #136

Two party system = "progressives" to the right of Hoover. /nt TheMadMonk Mar 2013 #140

He doesn't give a fuck about policies, man. Bonobo Mar 2013 #178

Nader haters were obnoxious in the early 2000's, now they are just pathetic. morningfog Mar 2013 #152

They have been consistent in one regard. They always had a clue. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #183

Fuck Nader. I never voted for him. But, I place the blame where it belongs, morningfog Mar 2013 #189

nt theKed Mar 2013 #153

What about the 33% of registered voters who didn't vote? nyquil_man Mar 2013 #155

10 million LESS voters voted in 2000 than any other modern election. graham4anything Mar 2013 #176

Gore's total vote was the highest for any Democratic candidate up to that time, nyquil_man Mar 2013 #179

You need to stop living in the past and look Forward�. Marr Mar 2013 #159

Perhaps when the Democratic Party Stops Running Corporate Toadys they will get more votes thetruthhurtsforsome Mar 2013 #163

Tennessee also had 4 electoral votes in 2000 Jumpin Jack Fletch Mar 2013 #166

How do you know how many of those Nader votes would have just stayed home, or voted for some other limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #171

How do you know that Nader votes would have stayed home or voted for some other candidate? bluestate10 Mar 2013 #187

"your ilk"? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #198

Nader had the right to run for president... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #191

FINALLY A NADER THREAD! Capt. Obvious Mar 2013 #197