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In reply to the discussion: Junior high teacher tells kid to remove Marines t-shirt or get suspended (has guns on it) [View all]ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)188. I did look it up again when you first made the claim,
which led me to believe your interpretation of the fallacy is incorrect.
Begging the Question is a fallacy in which the premises include the claim that the conclusion is true or (directly or indirectly) assume that the conclusion is true. This sort of "reasoning" typically has the following form.
1.Premises in which the truth of the conclusion is claimed or the truth of the conclusion is assumed (either directly or indirectly).
2.Claim C (the conclusion) is true.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because simply assuming that the conclusion is true (directly or indirectly) in the premises does not constitute evidence for that conclusion. Obviously, simply assuming a claim is true does not serve as evidence for that claim. This is especially clear in particularly blatant cases: "X is true. The evidence for this claim is that X is true."
Some cases of question begging are fairly blatant, while others can be extremely subtle.
Examples of Begging the Question
1.Bill: "God must exist."
Jill: "How do you know."
Bill: "Because the Bible says so."
Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"
Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."
2."If such actions were not illegal, then they would not be prohibited by the law."
3."The belief in God is universal. After all, everyone believes in God."
4.Interviewer: "Your resume looks impressive but I need another reference."
Bill: "Jill can give me a good reference."
Interviewer: "Good. But how do I know that Jill is trustworthy?"
Bill: "Certainly. I can vouch for her."
1.Premises in which the truth of the conclusion is claimed or the truth of the conclusion is assumed (either directly or indirectly).
2.Claim C (the conclusion) is true.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because simply assuming that the conclusion is true (directly or indirectly) in the premises does not constitute evidence for that conclusion. Obviously, simply assuming a claim is true does not serve as evidence for that claim. This is especially clear in particularly blatant cases: "X is true. The evidence for this claim is that X is true."
Some cases of question begging are fairly blatant, while others can be extremely subtle.
Examples of Begging the Question
1.Bill: "God must exist."
Jill: "How do you know."
Bill: "Because the Bible says so."
Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"
Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."
2."If such actions were not illegal, then they would not be prohibited by the law."
3."The belief in God is universal. After all, everyone believes in God."
4.Interviewer: "Your resume looks impressive but I need another reference."
Bill: "Jill can give me a good reference."
Interviewer: "Good. But how do I know that Jill is trustworthy?"
Bill: "Certainly. I can vouch for her."
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html
My claim was/is: Minors are not legally allowed to buy sexually explicit materials. Minors are allowed to buy images of guns. Therefore, the comparison of sexually explicit materials to images of guns is a poor comparison.
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The Straight Story
Feb 2013
OP
I thought it was offensive to call someone "nuts" or "crazy", some hypocrisy here?
snooper2
Feb 2013
#105
Indeed that was the case...the media was in the midst of a meltdown and we did not have a clue
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#76
Indeed it was. There is enough discrimination against the mentally ill in the county
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#80
I would definitely vote as a Juror to "Leave it" if someone alerted on his post.
madinmaryland
Mar 2013
#193
Ha! You ever visit the I/P dungeon? I'd guess 50% of the comments are related to sources.
Purveyor
Mar 2013
#151
but, but...fox news and other places had it to, so it can't be real and us talk about it
The Straight Story
Mar 2013
#177
This appears to be the act of an over-zealous (or over-cautious) teacher
Jeff In Milwaukee
Feb 2013
#9
If you'd every met the guidance counselor, you'd be howling with laughter...
Jeff In Milwaukee
Feb 2013
#71
I know. They dress it up in high-sounding 'security' and 'educational' functions.
randome
Feb 2013
#21
I'd guess unless your military job is in communications, transportation, medicine, logistics,
hughee99
Feb 2013
#35
Every Marine, regardless of specialty, is first and foremost a rifleman
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#38
Yes, and yet depending on their job, they can spend a vast majority of their time
hughee99
Feb 2013
#50
Its a more modern version of the cross-rifle insignia sported by US Army Infantry
Victor_c3
Feb 2013
#64
Wow. You want to send a teacher to counseling for asking a kid to turn his shirt inside out?
Nine
Feb 2013
#68
I said counsel...which means you sit down with the employee and discuss what happened
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#73
Careful or there will be a counter reaction by the students and maybe the staff
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#46
Good. We ne to do all we can to counteract the pro gun/ pro military mindset n this country.
bowens43
Feb 2013
#29
I take that to mean that this was the first time any of the staff did anything about it
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#89
Isn't that what kids do? Dealing with it is a big part of what teachers do
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#41
The Washington Post test is actually media independent and this is now on multiple media sources
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#65
My kid was threatened with suspension and it wasn't even a rule violation
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#103
If everyone wore shirts with pictures of guns on them, nobody would be scared of shirts
slackmaster
Feb 2013
#100
Have that law handy? I'd expect such a law to be struck down pretty damned fast on 1st am grounds.nt
X_Digger
Feb 2013
#119
I assume he means students at school where the BOR is strongly curtailed.
ProgressiveProfessor
Feb 2013
#122
The Supreme Court refused to hear a case challenging school dress code in 2010.
proud2BlibKansan
Feb 2013
#124
Adults who are employees would be covered under the district dress code.
proud2BlibKansan
Feb 2013
#125
Call it what you want, but its a form of speech that has greater protection than sexually explicit
onenote
Mar 2013
#154
If you didn't think a court would ever give corporations constitutional rights
onenote
Mar 2013
#165
Okay, then please clear up the issue: do you think corporations should have first amendment rights
onenote
Mar 2013
#168
Minors are not generally legally allowed to own sexually explicit materials in the US.
ZombieHorde
Mar 2013
#176
I think you are unable to back up your claims, so you use insults instead.
ZombieHorde
Mar 2013
#190
Might have been handled better. But truth is we don't need to be promoting guns in schools.
Hoyt
Mar 2013
#152
I see it more as an anti-public school/anti-public school teacher/anti-teacher union thing
ProgressiveProfessor
Mar 2013
#162