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In reply to the discussion: Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)269. Groden told the truth to the HSCA. What you post is from the OJ trial. That's disingenuous.
Here's Groden's testimony to the House Select Committee on Assassinations in PDF form:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol1/pdf/HSCA_Vol1_0906_5_Groden.pdf
It's a searchable PDF. Go ahead and find the five times the word "expert" comes up and the two times "expertise" come up. The word has zero to do with his abilities as a witness, the main part of which is to tell the truth.
Your source, FWIW, was not called to testify. In fact, he has a record of working to damage the reputations of those who do not follow the lone nut theory. Why you echo that line is beyond me.
McAdams also serves to add plausible deniability to work by a certain group of government employees:
McAdams denies Oswald had ties to any intelligence agency. This isn't what Senator Richard Schweiker found when he investigated the matter while serving on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Said Schweiker,
I personally believe that he (Oswald) had a special relationship with one of the intelligence agencies, which one, I'm not certain. But all the fingerprints I found during my eighteen months on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence point to Oswald as being a product of, and interacting with, the intelligence community. (Anthony Summers, Not In Your Lifetime: The Definitive Book On The Jfk Assassination, New York: Marlowe and Company, 1998, p. 206)
link:http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/vsmcadams.htm
There's a book about that very organization by Larry Hancock, Nexus: The Cia and Political Assassination. From a review:
NEXUS by Larry Hancock
Reviewed by Jim DeEugenio
EXCERPT...
In 1954, Larry Houston, the CIAs General Counsel, made out an agreement with Bill Rogers at Justice so that crimes of the CIA would not be prosecuted. (ibid, p. 17) With this agreement, Hancock rightly states that national security was now placed ahead of criminal violations by CIA personnel. This included all crimes up to and including murder.
This agreement was very useful in that it was made the same year of the CIA coup against Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. Here, Hancock brings in the most recent declassified study on that operation. He uses it to show that this was perhaps the first time that the CIA actually arranged a so-called kill list of certain citizens to be taken care of after the coup. (ibid, p. 19) He also brings in the fact that neighboring leaders Anastasio Somoza of Nicaragua, and Rafael Trujillo of Dominican Republic both agreed to the coup. And, in fact, the bloodthirsty Trujillo requested four specific people be killed. Certain CIA officers wanted Arbenz killed, and his death, of course, to be blamed on the communists. (ibid, p. 20)
What makes this latter fact important is that two famous CIA officers were involved in this overthrow who later figured in the JFK case. They were David Phillips and Howard Hunt. This idea, of killing a liberal head of state and then blaming it on the communists, projects a familiar theme ten years hence. The actual project officer on the coup was Tracy Barnes. From him, the chain of command went to J. C. King, Frank Wisner, Dick Bissell and Allen Dulles.
Hancock has studied the documents of this coupcodenamed PBSUCCESScarefully. Especially those dealing with the murder lists. In his measured opinion, Clearly, regardless of any official position being taken in Washington, PBSUCCESS CIA field staff were very much involved with the subject of assassination and actively involved in preparing surrogate personnel to carry out political eliminations. (ibid, p. 25) In other words, the actual killings were not to be done by CIA agents, but cut outs. Therefore, the hallowed concept of deniability would be followed. In fact, the CIA had an assassination manual prepared in advance for the coup. (ibid, p. 28) And there was actually a discussion at a PBSUCCESS staff meeting in March of 1954 that 15-20 Guatemalan leaders would be killed by gunmen sent over by Trujillo. (ibid, p. 26)
Interestingly, Hancock lists some of the Congressional backers of the coup. They were Lyndon Johnson, Jack Brooks, Martin Dies, and George Smathers. (ibid, p. 31) The message that came down was literally, Arbenz must go, how does not matter. (ibid, p. 32) After Guatemala, Barnes and Bissell do further work in assassinations. But also, a lesson is learned: Don t put it down in writing. (ibid, pgs. 34-35)
CONTINUED...
http://www.ctka.net/reviews/nexus_review.html
Hey, zappaman: "Disingenuous" kind of means "Dishonest."
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Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press [View all]
Octafish
Feb 2013
OP
Mass media has been ignoring lots of inconvenient truths. For a long time. nt
kelliekat44
Mar 2013
#289
Yet run-away-brides and other such "news" must be investigated and theorized at every angle.
shcrane71
Feb 2013
#59
Who reported JFK ordered CIA, Joint Chiefs to shelve first-strike nuclear war plans for 1963?
Octafish
Feb 2013
#213
Until I looked out the window on the actual floor I thought the shot was impossible. Now I know.....
Logical
Feb 2013
#5
Ever read Craig Roberts' book, "Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza"?....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#21
Many people have recreated this shot with no trouble at all. Here is some descriptions....
Logical
Feb 2013
#42
I'll stick with the statements made by guys who were actual snipers and had performed under less....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#45
People love thinking a lone gunman could not do this. It scares them. But it is the truth. n-t
Logical
Feb 2013
#46
Funny, I thought we were discussing the JFK assassination. If you want to discuss....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#69
So the single bullet theory is what your whole argument is based on? Really? Because I can....
Logical
Feb 2013
#103
How sad for you that you actually believe Specter's Folly. Good luck and so long! nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#136
Oswald had a Top Secret Crypto clearance at the time he was stationed in Japan as....
OldDem2012
Mar 2013
#286
JFK wore a back brace....that kept him upright in the limo. Additionally, I don't see JFK waving
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#70
I'm sorry, I guess JFK didn't get the memo as to what he should do with his arm. nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#83
Yeah....that would ruin that whole Warren Commission thing, wouldn't it? nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#138
Ah, yes, the same HSCA report that ultimately concluded that there were at least two shooters,
MadHound
Feb 2013
#97
The same HSCA report which concluded that Oswald fired all the shots which struck JFK
nyquil_man
Feb 2013
#107
You are incorrect. The HSCA later changed their opinion after seeing new evidence
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#171
LOL, did you read the links to the source? Or does the source thing confuse you? And.....
Logical
Feb 2013
#102
You were quoting Wikipedia, not the sources that may or may not have been used
MadHound
Feb 2013
#104
I'd rather be open-minded about political assassinations than whatever it is you claim to be. nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#140
What cracks me up are the Conspiracy Theorists who believe in the Magic Bullet
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#161
None of the conspiracy theories deny Oswald was at that location & shot at JFK.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#81
OK, LOL, maybe 5 feet to the right of it. VISUALIZE. Here is a photo for you. Your issue..
Logical
Mar 2013
#324
RFK, Jr. is no ''moron.'' Why would you call a liberal Democrat that and the other things, Archae?
Octafish
Feb 2013
#36
+1. Thanks for taking up for a fine, intelligent man. A bit of an activist, but other than that,
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#84
That picture of Porter Goss and the company he keeps is quite telling and frightening.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#293
Lets face it, people LOVE conspiracy's. A lone gunman is boring. A huge government......
Logical
Feb 2013
#4
Oliver Stone is a nutcase, IMO. Still, Oswald had a friend involved with the mob.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#87
You don't know? Have you ever watched any of the numerous documentaries on the assassination or
Honeycombe8
Feb 2013
#90
Gee, I wonder if this will turn into yet another "Who shot JFK" conspiracy theory post?...
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#6
Why was it pulled from vaccines? Because of the sort of irrational fear RFK Jr was stoking.
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2013
#89
And uses, again, the flimisiest of pretexts to talk about a fifty year old crime that was solved
apocalypsehow
Feb 2013
#139
A can of tuna contains 2 1/2 times as much mercury as a vaccine with thimerosal...
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#182
I couldn't find where the FDA said there's a link between thimerosal and autism...
SidDithers
Feb 2013
#186
The FDA is concerned about the link between mercury levels and neuropathology...
AntiFascist
Feb 2013
#191
I'd love to see this, but there's no way that staunch corporatist Charlie Rose
amandabeech
Feb 2013
#7
But most of the population believes that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy, regardless.
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#10
In 1964 Britain, Lord Bertrand Russell asked about the failure of the press...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#33
Bertrand Russell, one of the century's greatest philosophers & mathematicians?
JackRiddler
Feb 2013
#71
"Respectable people" like those who have much to hide? The same folks who are enmeshed....
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#40
Bill Moyers: '... it is quite revealing that it's Oliver Stone that's forcing Congress to open up...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#34
American mass media are tools of propaganda for the State (read: Ownership Class)
Octafish
Feb 2013
#58
Betsy lewis: so ignorant she doesn't know it's "Hear, hear" not "Here, here".
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#25
How long do you really think the hit team lived after completing their task in Dealey Plaza? nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#51
I don't care if even one person didn't agree with me, lynne. I'll continue to post on JFK, RFK, MLK.
Octafish
Feb 2013
#199
Thank you. Your posts are important and significant to many thinking people.
AnotherMcIntosh
Feb 2013
#201
you can write that with a straight face? anderson fucking vanderbilt cooper did hours on
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#285
The fact that it was that film that began to cause many people to begin doubting
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#172
Yes, conspirators are annoying. They let others tell them stories about what happened in
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#210
Your entire comment is based on a personal opinion that anyone who dares to ask
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#221
It is most troubling, seeing the way history has unfolded since that terrible day.
Octafish
Feb 2013
#134
If the geometry works, why did WC member and FBI spy Gerald Ford have to alter the report?
Octafish
Feb 2013
#216
Was that the photo Regis BLAHUT was looking at? The guy CIA had at HSCA before George Joannides?
Octafish
Mar 2013
#237
Nothing to laugh at, William Seger. Ford was FBI stooge who obstructed justice.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#243
And using computers, Peter Jackson can make cave trolls act like real live creatures,
MadHound
Feb 2013
#95
The computer-generated view from the TSBD if the Secret Service had stayed on the car...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#119
You're using an article written for the LA Times as a rebuttal? Really?? nt.
OldDem2012
Feb 2013
#143
Excerpts from the book "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters"
Ghost Dog
Mar 2013
#302
My observation is that the more people are silenced, the more curious they become
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#99
Right wingers, like the Bush gang eg. See Octafish's links in his response to me.
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#159
Well, put it this way. I would believe the Democratic Kennedy kids over the lying,
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#170
Yes, if it doesn't matter, why does it matter? The most obvious explanation is that it involves CIA.
patrice
Feb 2013
#127
OR...this was fifty years ago, and the Public (and media) are focused on more topical matters...
brooklynite
Feb 2013
#155
Such as: L.A. County coroner changes Natalie Wood's cause of death (31 years)
johnnyreb
Feb 2013
#156
You mean like what the Kardashians are doing lately? Yes, you are certainly correct
sabrina 1
Feb 2013
#160
'The web keeps the story alive.' Thank you for the heads-up. Here's a bit more from Bill Kelly...
Octafish
Feb 2013
#198
“A smart researcher might come in and see some connections that the government doesn’t,”
doublethink
Feb 2013
#205
Immediately after the assassination, government agencies were specifically directed...
AntiFascist
Feb 2013
#208
Thanks for pointing out the abuses within the criminal justice system doublethink...
AntiFascist
Mar 2013
#251
Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade was poised to profit off JFK files
Octafish
Mar 2013
#254
Not help U.S. citizens make vital public choices? Like choosing Democrats over Republicans?
AntiFascist
Feb 2013
#178
It is possible to 'regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies.'
Octafish
Feb 2013
#209
Chomsky credits Alex Carey. For some reason, re Dallas, he agrees with Alexander Coburn.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#229
Groden told the truth to the HSCA. What you post is from the OJ trial. That's disingenuous.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#269
Here's someone to know: Secret Service Agent Abraham Bolden, the first African American on WH Detail
Octafish
Mar 2013
#271
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on..."
MinM
Mar 2013
#320
@johnsimkin: Cartha (Deke) DeLoach, the man who helped LBJ cover-up the assassination of JFK...
MinM
Mar 2013
#327
Maybe I should of ended the above post with "Oh wait" ... or something like that.
doublethink
Mar 2013
#258
Your list of names and the pdf file found with the link is very interesting.
AnotherMcIntosh
Mar 2013
#303
"out there" is apparently some kind of word code for politicians & staff, msm, because "it can't
bobthedrummer
Mar 2013
#246
What theory? RFK's kids expressed their father's thoughts that the assassins are at large.
Octafish
Mar 2013
#312