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In reply to the discussion: What they don't tell you about FL sinkholes. In 2010 growers pumped a billion gallons a day [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)40. Given full knowledge of
the state's strata, why on earth would this practice be allowed? Seems like pure madness.
Sinkholes
Sinkholes are a common feature of Florida's landscape. They are only one of many kinds of karst landforms, which include caves, disappearing streams, springs, and underground drainage systems, all of which occur in Florida. Karst is a generic term which refers to the characteristic terrain produced by erosional processes associated with the chemical weathering and dissolution of limestone or dolomite, the two most common carbonate rocks in Florida. Dissolution of carbonate rocks begins when they are exposed to acidic water. Most rainwater is slightly acidic and usually becomes more acidic as it moves through decaying plant debris.
Limestones in Florida are porous, allowing the acidic water to percolate through their strata, dissolving some limestone and carrying it away in solution. Over eons of time, this persistent erosional process has created extensive underground voids and drainage systems in much of the carbonate rocks throughout the state. Collapse of overlying sediments into the underground cavities produces sinkholes.
When groundwater discharges from an underground drainage system, it is a spring, such as Wakulla Springs, Silver Springs, or Rainbow Springs. Sinkholes can occur in the beds of streams, sometimes taking all of the stream's flow, creating a disappearing stream. Dry caves are parts of karst drainage systems that are above the water table, such as Marianna Caverns.
Other subterranean events can cause holes, depressions or subsidence of the land surface that may mimic sinkhole activity. These include subsurface expansive clay or organic layers which compress as water is removed, collapsed or broken sewer and drain pipes or broken septic tanks, improperly compacted soil after excavation work, and even buried trash, logs and other debris. Often a depression is not verified by a licensed professional geologist or engineer to be a true sinkhole, and the cause of subsidence is not known. Such events are called subsidence incidents.
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/geology/geologictopics/sinkhole.htm
Sinkholes are a common feature of Florida's landscape. They are only one of many kinds of karst landforms, which include caves, disappearing streams, springs, and underground drainage systems, all of which occur in Florida. Karst is a generic term which refers to the characteristic terrain produced by erosional processes associated with the chemical weathering and dissolution of limestone or dolomite, the two most common carbonate rocks in Florida. Dissolution of carbonate rocks begins when they are exposed to acidic water. Most rainwater is slightly acidic and usually becomes more acidic as it moves through decaying plant debris.
Limestones in Florida are porous, allowing the acidic water to percolate through their strata, dissolving some limestone and carrying it away in solution. Over eons of time, this persistent erosional process has created extensive underground voids and drainage systems in much of the carbonate rocks throughout the state. Collapse of overlying sediments into the underground cavities produces sinkholes.
When groundwater discharges from an underground drainage system, it is a spring, such as Wakulla Springs, Silver Springs, or Rainbow Springs. Sinkholes can occur in the beds of streams, sometimes taking all of the stream's flow, creating a disappearing stream. Dry caves are parts of karst drainage systems that are above the water table, such as Marianna Caverns.
Other subterranean events can cause holes, depressions or subsidence of the land surface that may mimic sinkhole activity. These include subsurface expansive clay or organic layers which compress as water is removed, collapsed or broken sewer and drain pipes or broken septic tanks, improperly compacted soil after excavation work, and even buried trash, logs and other debris. Often a depression is not verified by a licensed professional geologist or engineer to be a true sinkhole, and the cause of subsidence is not known. Such events are called subsidence incidents.
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/geology/geologictopics/sinkhole.htm
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What they don't tell you about FL sinkholes. In 2010 growers pumped a billion gallons a day [View all]
madfloridian
Mar 2013
OP
85 sinkholes in just a short time is a very high price to pay for strawberries.
madfloridian
Mar 2013
#2
Loss of homes, high property insurance, high water bills are subsidizing the Fl strawberry economy.
L0oniX
Mar 2013
#63
Brownwood Subdivision in Baytown, TX was abandoned due to groundwater pumping
Manifestor_of_Light
Mar 2013
#4
There are about a dozen golf courses in Pinellas County (Clearwater, St. Pete)...
Sancho
Mar 2013
#72
I live there ...and know that ...seen the effects of the polution ...and high water bills. n/t
L0oniX
Mar 2013
#75
i wondered about that. i read something not so long ago about another giant (much bigger
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#14
it doesn't seem like it was either of those, something more industrial. it was huge, i'll try to
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#21
Good for him. In 2010 the local stations reported a little, then they backed away.
madfloridian
Mar 2013
#26
His pain was so raw and visible on tv last night I couldn't get it out of my mind all day today....
Little Star
Mar 2013
#32
Fracking in Texas will do the same. Simple oil removal has already resulted in
mbperrin
Mar 2013
#16
My bet is that the fracking/gas corporations are invested in clean water resources as well.
L0oniX
Mar 2013
#66
Thanks, madfloridian! I just heard another blip about it on the car radio while
gateley
Mar 2013
#25
More details. Caused 60 ft drop in aquifer which went up 50 ft in a few days.
madfloridian
Mar 2013
#27
State Farm dropped sinkhole coverage, but said we could pay for a survey and then get it.
madfloridian
Mar 2013
#34
I blame man for using resources irresponsibly. I think homeowners have a right to know...
madfloridian
Mar 2013
#33
"They" do tell us about this. There are numerous discussions about water use vs sinkholes
bike man
Mar 2013
#50
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" have become anti-abortion, anti-government, and the
Maineman
Mar 2013
#52
...and we all here will be paying higher water bills so they can make money from strawberries.
L0oniX
Mar 2013
#62
If it weren't for DU, and especially MF, I wouldn't know about this at all.
eppur_se_muova
Mar 2013
#73
Let's stop pretending. The aquifer is essential, and depleting it is stupid.
madfloridian
Mar 2013
#84