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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:48 AM Mar 2013

If you hate Hugo Chavez, then FIGHT what created him-U.S. imperialism in the Americas. [View all]

Hugo Chavez gets a lot of stick from those who say they dislike his "authoritarianism".

But if they really want to stop what they see as authoritarianism, those who hate Chavez and the methods he has used need to do something they have so far refused to do...study the history of this hemisphere.

The choices Chavez made were not arbitrary...they were not random...they were based on his study and analysis of over a century of American arrogance and intervention throughout Latin America.

They were shaped by every economic blockade we launched, every coup we staged, every corporate theft of wealth and resources, every aggressive action our leaders ever took throughout the hemisphere.

It was that heritage that drove him to the choices some so sanctimoniously object to here...the lack of ABSOLUTE democratic purity(as if there have been many Latin American countries that were democratic utopias), the distrust of opponents, the attempts to limit propaganda against his revolution and in favor of restoring the right-wing past.

If you don't want to see any more Chavezes, then work like hell to get THIS country to do what it should always have done...LEAVE THE AMERICAS ALONE!

If we had a democratic hemisphere, a hemisphere where governments could get elected and carry out the program it promised to bring in for the people, , WITHOUT the risk of blockade or coup, WITHOUT "trade deals" that force that government to rule for "El Norte" rather than the good of those who elected it, there would be no need for the kind of things that Hugo Chavez felt he had to do.

It was never about Chavez being a willing despot(if he's a despot at all). Nor was it ever about him wanting power for power's sake...the man isn't Stalin, or even Napoleon. It's about the choices a small, poor country has to make when trying to stand up for its rights against an arrogant U.S. regime(this isn't said about any particular administration, since we've never had a U.S. administration with a decent, progressive policy towards Latin America).

To stop the things that offend your precious "democratic sensibilities", you have to take your stand against centuries of arrogance on the part of OUR country.

And if you won't do that, you have no right to condemn what countries to our south do to preserve their sovereignty and their dignity...because you will have helped force them to do those things.

It really is that simple.

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It wasn't just Chavez in Venezuela Tempest Mar 2013 #1
Morales and Vasquez(and also Correa of Ecuador) are hated by the same people who hate Chavez. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #2
Damn, I forgot Correa. Tempest Mar 2013 #4
Ding ding we have a winner malaise Mar 2013 #25
I greatly admire him HarveyDarkey Mar 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Mar 2013 #7
Glad to hear it. If you get that, you aren't the sort of person this thread is aimed at. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #10
But I don't hate him. He is the democratically elected President of I Cant Dance Mar 2013 #5
Good. This isn't aimed at you. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #8
The best thing anyone could do who feels deep rancor is to actually learn LatAm history. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #6
And thank you, Judi, for fighting the good fight here for such a long time. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #9
So, our first step is...what now? nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #11
1) Learn the history if you don't know it. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #13
Sure, I accept all that. Deep13 Mar 2013 #23
No, but the action follows the thought. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #29
Those who hate Chavez probably think we should just get a bigger stick. reformist2 Mar 2013 #12
A lot of Americans just mindlessly repeat what they hear and see in the media Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #14
And many Americans who only care about democracy inside the US truebluegreen Mar 2013 #26
For them "democracy" means "capitalism". Ken Burch Mar 2013 #27
I have no problem with Chavez, I have a Lot of problems with some U.S. warmongering shitbags. Whisp Mar 2013 #15
Exactly so. From the "Banana Wars" of the late 19th - early 20th centuries through our despicable Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #16
anyone who smells sulphur when speaking of Bush the Lesser is okay in my books. n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #17
You are a donkey, Mr Danger Brother Buzz Mar 2013 #18
He is even more disgusted with Bush than me upi402 Mar 2013 #31
If you hate Chavez and Morales, you have bought into the Cleita Mar 2013 #19
America's record in central and south America is dismal, for sure . . . But: MrModerate Mar 2013 #20
"he wanted to, eventually, do to his neighbors what Hitler did to his"? Ken Burch Mar 2013 #28
No, not the lampshade part . . . MrModerate Mar 2013 #32
I'm not sure I'd call it a "hegemony"-Chavez' idea was more like an anti-imperialist alliance. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #33
No wonder cartach Mar 2013 #21
This time of the year in New England, catnhatnh Mar 2013 #22
We can't fund the arts in schools, they are frivolous. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #24
We murder their elected leaders upi402 Mar 2013 #30
Promote positive, stable institutions and defund the militaries. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #34
Good thoughts. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #36
It's about a lot more than Chavez--essentially a class struggle. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #40
You're right that it's about much, much more than him. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #41
True that. My worry isn't the USG getting involved so much as geek tragedy Mar 2013 #42
Both will, for both are deeply intertwined. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #43
I teach Latin American history for a living. a la izquierda Mar 2013 #35
Good for you. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #37
Thanks... a la izquierda Mar 2013 #38
We like to think that we are free from history. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #39
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