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joshcryer

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65. It passed their General Assembly, so a majority of them must have thought it would work.

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 03:34 AM

Jan 2012

I think it's a mixture of wild eyed optimism and ignorance, imo. I think they thought if they had enough mass numbers they'd achieve victory, I mean, what cops are going to rest 400-500 people? They were wrong.

It was, in my opinion, a strategic failure, but not because they were stupid, they just didn't consider the results of their actions. A better route would've been to do it covertly, over a short period of time, and without a big fuss about it.

The Move-In Day March was pure strategic failing. The building should've been secured long beforehand and its location should've been kept secret. It should've been a dozen or two people at most, at which point the occupiers could've been called to join.

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Did Occupy Oakland Believe Their Move-In Day Would Succeed? [View all] MineralMan Jan 2012 OP

They expected to hold a weekend 'festival' to celebrate! randome Jan 2012 #1

I don't know if we needed another thread, but here mine is. MineralMan Jan 2012 #2

I think you are asking good questions. Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #49

Thanks for that! MineralMan Jan 2012 #53

From OO Move In Day FAQ... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #3

I read in another thread that protestors were Rex Jan 2012 #4

One of the reports on the protest said that MineralMan Jan 2012 #7

I hope they catch the people trying to incite violence. Rex Jan 2012 #14

Of course it will work. randome Jan 2012 #19

the people "trying to incite violence" are overwhelmingly police officers.... mike_c Jan 2012 #21

The thugs are the ones who started with the violence from the begining of ows. The protesters SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #30

If you were in charge of the police in Oakland... randome Jan 2012 #34

A big difference is that "one side" is made up of govenment employees. morningfog Jan 2012 #45

Are you going to answer the question in post 34? snooper2 Jan 2012 #69

That may be true in some cases, but there are also plenty of MineralMan Jan 2012 #31

summer of 2012.... mike_c Jan 2012 #37

"what little violence and vandalism" brooklynite Jan 2012 #43

I'm not going to pretend that some Occupiers don't get violent occasionally.... mike_c Jan 2012 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author snooper2 Jan 2012 #68

Publicizing it, is protection. WingDinger Jan 2012 #5

So, you feel that provocation that leads to police violence is MineralMan Jan 2012 #9

It has always been thus. WingDinger Jan 2012 #13

Do NOT dishonor the work of Ghandi and King by comparing nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #60

+1,000,000 Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #64

Thank you for the support nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #67

As long as they are continually getting publicity and comments/reactions from official, morningfog Jan 2012 #46

You mean they are arresting anyone with a big, red 'L' on their forehead? randome Jan 2012 #11

Ya know, that aint a half bad idea. All the Occupy protestors wear a shirt plainly labeled, LIBERAL WingDinger Jan 2012 #17

The Convention Center, pintobean Jan 2012 #6

After economic crises leave them without management... Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #8

I read on another thread that the building was closed for safety reasons. randome Jan 2012 #10

I did some research. The Convention Center was closed MineralMan Jan 2012 #12

Thanks for looking that up. randome Jan 2012 #16

This is starting to look like a test of wills between the populace Rex Jan 2012 #26

Yes, but it's a test of wills between a small segment of the populace MineralMan Jan 2012 #32

I don't think any size populace can win the test of wills Rex Jan 2012 #48

Oh, yes they can. MineralMan Jan 2012 #56

I seriously doubt those kind of numbers will Rex Jan 2012 #61

I thought there were seismic issues too XemaSab Jan 2012 #62

That could certainly be true. MineralMan Jan 2012 #66

I don't think there was any real possibility that Occupy Oakland MineralMan Jan 2012 #15

I'd say they failed to take over the building because our society HAS broken down Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #18

The force being used by the police is far from as extreme as the police MineralMan Jan 2012 #33

Yes, they could've used M-16s, but that doesn't make what they've been doing acceptable. Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #36

When you use terms like "extreme violence," MineralMan Jan 2012 #40

What would you call this? Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #41

Did the Yippees believe their levitation of the Pentagon would succeed? Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #20

Of course they didn't. Oakland's police department MineralMan Jan 2012 #23

And they did not get the Pentagon off the ground. It was not the point to do so. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #39

I suppose there's no sense trying to do anything unless there's a 100% chance of unqualified success gratuitous Jan 2012 #22

The odds were much in favor of the attempted takeover as ending the way it did. randome Jan 2012 #24

Or, maybe they did pintobean Jan 2012 #27

This is the answer... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #52

That's how I see it, too. MineralMan Jan 2012 #28

No, I'm not saying that at all. If that were true, few of the large protests I MineralMan Jan 2012 #25

Here is everything you need to know. WingDinger Jan 2012 #44

Of course it was predictable Nevernose Jan 2012 #50

I imagine if you contacted them for a response LanternWaste Jan 2012 #29

I don't even know who you'd contact, and that wasn't my intent. MineralMan Jan 2012 #35

Damn citizens, forcing the police to be violent. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #38

Isn't this EXACTLY what the right does that drives us crazy? Or is it OK to be an apologist as long renie408 Jan 2012 #51

Got a lot of people, though, didn't it? (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #42

Heres more of those naive people, doing it wrong. WingDinger Jan 2012 #47

If you're going to call in Gandhi, you're missing a whole MineralMan Jan 2012 #55

It was meant to fail this time Taverner Jan 2012 #54

I see. Or I will see, if it actually happens. MineralMan Jan 2012 #57

Right now the news will spread Taverner Jan 2012 #58

What really happened donheld Jan 2012 #63

It passed their General Assembly, so a majority of them must have thought it would work. joshcryer Jan 2012 #65

Actual Oakland residence here. mulsh Jan 2012 #70

Thanks pintobean Jan 2012 #71

Thanks. I knew it was the Kaiser Auditorium, but didn't MineralMan Jan 2012 #72