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HiPointDem

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110. The "popular" conceptualization of white privilege focuses on the fact that white people can
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 05:29 AM
Mar 2013

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take certain things for granted (like the air they breathe) -- being able to rent an apartment in any neighborhood, walk down a street without being harrassed by police, etc. etc. -- from the mundane ('flesh' crayons) to the life-threatening (lynching). I'm not saying that's the only conceptualization of white privilege that exists, but that's what it boils down to a lot of the time in popular discourse. I would link examples from DU but my aim isn't to point fingers. And I agree with that analysis, as far as it goes.

But that's generally as far as it goes in the 'popular' discourse, and when you ask, 'ok, i'm privileged, now what? What am I supposed to do with that fact?' -- what you get is (and you can see it on this thread and others) -- 'well, you need to pass that analysis on to others, treat others with respect, be a nice person....' And in fact I asked that very question in one of these threads & was given more or less that answer. Which to me was like -- well, I already try to do those things, so how does my saying 'I'm privileged' further that effort?

So in what sense is this concept of 'privilege' an advance over conceptualizations and terminologies that made more or less the same point, if the only goal is to get people to 'treat others with respect,' etc? As we see on these threads, the word 'privilege' gets some people's backs up, since it signifies some exceptional benefit -- whereas most people don't consider, e.g., walking in public without being attacked by police an exceptional 'privilege,' as it implies that getting harrassed by police = baseline normal state. Even on this 'progressive' board, a lot of the tension boils down to that *word* -- not the underlying idea of white experience being assumed to be normative.

So if that dynamic exists even at DU, how does telling a racist that he's privileged help change his thinking? Especially the stereotypical lower-class 'white trash' racist, who already feels class-based resentment?

Which brings me to my second problem with the conceptualization. The person who originally coined the term (1965) did so in the context of a larger historical & economic analysis:

Key Components of Theodore W. Allen's Analysis in
"Class Struggle and the Origin of Racial Slavery: The Invention of the White Race"


When the first Africans arrived in Virginia in 1619, there were no "white" people there; nor, according to the colonial records, would there be for another sixty years.

Throughout much of the seventeenth century conditions in Virginia were quite similar for Afro-American and Euro-American laboring people and the "white race" did not exist.

There were many significant instances of labor unrest and solidarity in Virginia, especially during the 1660s and 1670s, and it is of transcendent importance that "foure hundred English and Negroes in Arms" fought together demanding freedom from bondage in the latter stages of Bacon's Rebellion.

The "white race" was invented as a ruling class social control formation in response to the labor unrest in the latter (civil war) stages of Bacon's Rebellion of 1676-77.

The "white race" was developed and maintained through the systematic extension of "a privileged status" by the ruling class to European-American laboring people who were not promoted out of the working class, but came to participate in this new multi-class "white" formation.

The non-enslavement of European-American laborers was the necessary pre-condition for the development of racial slavery (the particular form of racial oppression that developed in the continental plantation colonies).

The "white race" social control formation, racial slavery, the system of white supremacy, and white racial privileges were ruinous to the class interests of working people and workers' "own position, vis-à-vis the rich and powerful . . . was not improved, but weakened, by the white-skin-privilege system."

http://www.jeffreybperry.net/_center__font_size__3__font_color__sepia___b_4__theodore_w__allen_br___font_size_86151.htm



I understand that this kind of analysis still exists -- but not so much in the popular discourse. People often speak as though racism were a purely individual characteristic -- without any reference to the way power & perception is structured by elites, through the state and through economic control.

To me, this kind of larger context is what renders the use of the word 'privilege' sensible -- whites are 'privileged' because the *real* baseline 'normal' condition of labor v. capital without resistance *is* a harrassed, oppressed condition -- from which whites were given some relief "in exchange" for their participation (active or passive) in the black 'super-degradation' of slavery below the lowest white prole.

Whereas Allen distinguished between the white ruling class and white labor, the modern popularized version loses this nuance and 'disappears' the ruling class -- all whites are equally 'privileged' and so, by implication, equally responsible for current conditions.

And far from just "treating other with respect" his thesis was that things would not change unless whites actively renounced their 'white privilege' which meant far more than listening respectfully to black people -- it meant being willing to risk the nice job, the nice house, the respect of fellow whites, etc.

I don't support a 'racial status quo,' I don't consider these two separate struggles, but completely interconnected struggles, e.g. WEB Dubois:

The race element was emphasized in order that property-holders could get the support of the majority of white laborers and make it more possible to exploit Negro labor. But the race philosophy came as a new and terrible thing to make labor unity or labor class-consciousness impossible. So long as the Southern white laborers could be induced to prefer poverty to equality with the Negro, just so long was a labor movement in the South made impossible.

I don't consider that blacks are the only party injured by racism -- and not only economically.

I don't think this 'privilege' narrative is very effective at reaching its supposed targets.

And also, it seems to me, there's a thread in the 'white privilege' narrative about racism -- where racism just *is*, free-floating, ahistorical & unconnected from economics, politics, class, etc -- that equals "things can never be different in any crucial way".









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Nice rant. reflection Feb 2013 #1
Yeah. ananda Feb 2013 #16
Not all people do. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #2
I disagree. You'd have to be deaf dumb and blind not to upaloopa Feb 2013 #4
I think many would say..... NCTraveler Feb 2013 #6
Privilege deniers...like the SC Justices who see no need for VRA Sec. 5 pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #14
Or those who think affirmative action is reverse-racism. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #20
The denialism boggles the mind pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #58
seriously? on all these privilege threads, you do not hear the men insist it is not true? seabeyond Feb 2013 #25
Then there are plenty of deaf dumb and blind people here at DU. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #45
I see lots of income inequality hfojvt Feb 2013 #98
It's not what you have Samjm Mar 2013 #105
isn't it amazing then hfojvt Mar 2013 #109
I grew up during the same period of time and saw the same conflicts as you. Frustratedlady Feb 2013 #3
Hatred and bigotry is learned. It is taught to you. upaloopa Feb 2013 #11
+ a whole lotta thousands for the last paragraph+ graham4anything Feb 2013 #5
The 'haves and the havenots protested together' in the 60s? leftstreet Feb 2013 #9
the rich and the poor graham4anything Feb 2013 #21
This is a thread about working class people leftstreet Feb 2013 #46
I don't understand...economics is about money isn't it? graham4anything Feb 2013 #56
"we know we have been given privilege" Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #7
What's wrong with the 'privilege' meme is that it 'disappears' the role of the ruling class in HiPointDem Feb 2013 #8
+1 leftstreet Feb 2013 #13
Another great point. reflection Feb 2013 #19
ruling class is one of those soundbyte words that alas are meaningless graham4anything Feb 2013 #26
that's the ticket, graham. there is no ruling class and never was. and they didn't aggregate HiPointDem Feb 2013 #28
the revoultion was won in 2008. Most don't want to go back to times prior graham4anything Feb 2013 #31
Thanks for bringing the Ruling Class perspective to DU leftstreet Feb 2013 #42
No shit... redqueen Feb 2013 #48
Occupy Main Street! Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #52
You don't agree with the OP? I do. graham4anything Feb 2013 #57
I swear are you getting paid to be a mouthpiece for the 1%? white_wolf Feb 2013 #93
The 1% got ninety five percent of the value of all productivity gains of the last few years Squinch Feb 2013 #64
Right. redqueen Feb 2013 #65
I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #33
Exactly. redqueen Feb 2013 #49
+1 Jamastiene Feb 2013 #50
which would be fine, if it weren't the only narrative on racism. but it is, in the dominant HiPointDem Feb 2013 #69
Indeed, and the ruling class is perpetuated by this privilege. joshcryer Feb 2013 #101
Absolutely 100% bang on. snagglepuss Feb 2013 #37
Thank you. Brilliant analysis. nt HomeboyHombre Feb 2013 #92
+1000 LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #99
I think the point is riqster Feb 2013 #10
You sound like a great guy. There are tons of folks who fight the concept of privilege here though. Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #12
I was one of the first people on this board. I have left and changed my name twice upaloopa Feb 2013 #15
Didn't know. Sorry. Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #23
No problem no one knows who I am or could know upaloopa Feb 2013 #24
Don't forget Beyonce! gollygee Feb 2013 #38
Oh right! Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #43
I appreciate what you write ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #17
Outstanding redqueen Feb 2013 #22
I am trying to say that you can't help but see upaloopa Feb 2013 #30
I think this ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #36
Ok for me I don't need a lesson on privilege upaloopa Feb 2013 #39
Not to put too fine a point on it ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #41
My whole point is that there aren't any privileged upaloopa Feb 2013 #47
So ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #51
Strongly disagree. There are many people who don't seem to get it at all. redqueen Feb 2013 #53
i find it interesting that these privilege threads always get lots of play, but threads which HiPointDem Feb 2013 #72
That might be ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #94
i'm not getting your meaning. the sentence is clear, but for some reason i'm not getting it. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #95
If ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #96
so you're saying black people who participate in privilege threads at DU don't participate in HiPointDem Feb 2013 #97
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2013 #100
"you don't even recognize my fight as a fight" = not the same thing as questioning the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #103
I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #108
The "popular" conceptualization of white privilege focuses on the fact that white people can HiPointDem Mar 2013 #110
For future reference: privilege, not priviledge oberliner Feb 2013 #86
I was born in 1939 and was taken to Miami, FL., from PA, when I was RebelOne Feb 2013 #18
What REALLY bugs me VA_Jill Feb 2013 #27
But they're MAKERS, not TAKERS pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #35
as another duer pointed out in that thread, it is black and white quinnox Feb 2013 #29
lol, why are you explaining a Star Trek reference? redqueen Feb 2013 #59
I think there's a.. stillcool Feb 2013 #32
There are deniers everywhere. Evoman Feb 2013 #34
Here is why it bugs me. I have spent much of my life trying upaloopa Feb 2013 #40
Why are you so convinced that the people "lecturing" you are young enough to be your Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #54
The threads are broadcast as if we all need the lecture. upaloopa Feb 2013 #73
lol Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #75
Does anybody need the lecture? How do we do it without offending/irritating you? Evoman Feb 2013 #79
You make it personal, when it isn't. Evoman Feb 2013 #55
+1 redqueen Feb 2013 #62
Exactly. Why is that so difficult for people to understand? Evoman Feb 2013 #66
I wish I knew. redqueen Feb 2013 #68
The person doing the OP most likely has a problem upaloopa Feb 2013 #74
Huh? You are doing the OP in this thread..... Evoman Feb 2013 #76
I mean the privilege thread OP. Sorry for the confusion. upaloopa Feb 2013 #83
Looks like ageism is alive and well when one is only defined by a single characteristic > lunasun Feb 2013 #80
All right I will. You can tell about what age, very roughly, that some people are by the way they upaloopa Feb 2013 #84
Thank YOU! It's so refeshing to see that someone gets it. smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #67
Only the 1% are privileged. The rest of us have varying degrees of oppression. nt valerief Feb 2013 #44
K&RRRRrrrrrrrrggghh!!! patrice Feb 2013 #61
That means some of us are more oppressed than others, which is just another way of saying redqueen Feb 2013 #63
that some are starving doesn't make anything better than starvation a privilege. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #70
I find your lack of guilt disturbing Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #60
Explain upaloopa Feb 2013 #78
The fact that you acknowledge your social privileges as a white male exist.... YoungDemCA Feb 2013 #71
Why is that relevant? Recognizing privilege upaloopa Feb 2013 #77
um.....uploopa? Skittles Feb 2013 #81
That isn't the point I was making. I'm saying we all know we have privilege, Some of us try upaloopa Feb 2013 #82
no they DON'T all know they have privilege Skittles Feb 2013 #85
I think they say that openly but inside they know they have privilege. You can't grow up white male upaloopa Feb 2013 #87
you're a good guy upaloopa but you really don't know Skittles Feb 2013 #88
Ok. I was listening to Mark Tompson today on his show "Make It Plain" on SIRIUS. upaloopa Feb 2013 #89
thanks - and I listen to my gay and black friends and coworkers / DUers Skittles Feb 2013 #90
I agree with this post. nt HomeboyHombre Feb 2013 #91
Too broad a brush. Privilege follows individuals first. Zax2me Feb 2013 #102
"privilege follows individuals first?" yeah, it's completely random that 1/3 of black americans HiPointDem Mar 2013 #104
That was 1968 in Columbus Georgia. The black teens upaloopa Mar 2013 #107
White male, heterosexual, right handed, privilege Bosso 63 Mar 2013 #106
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