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HughBeaumont

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49. No matter how you try to spin this, it's seriously getting more comical with each statement.

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 07:29 AM

Jan 2012

If I get a major illness I don't get a six-digit anvil of debt, bankrupted and thrown out of my house. Maybe that's one reason their companies can afford to pay them the salaries they can - because they don't have to worry about providing something that, by every sense of the word and the way the rest of the industrialized world defines it, should be a human right (and how do American corporations, for all of their complaints about this subject, not see the disconnect?).

See, I don't know how the rest of America's liquid cash supply will carry them, but me . . . I couldn't AFFORD cancer, a spinal occlusion, major surgery or the aftermath of accident survival. I can't afford to gamble with a matter as precious as my health; charities, bake sales and fund-raisers wouldn't even begin to cover it.

Brits have far more choice than we do, in addition to having no bankruptcies due to medical issues. OH LAWD, FREE ME FROM SUCH TYRANNY!!!

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European-style welfare states are lovely! [View all] Prophet 451 Jan 2012 OP

A little OT and as you say "separate rant" MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #1

Thanks Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #4

Indeed they are, but republicans worry that Americans might get ideas from Europe so pampango Jan 2012 #2

I am surprised that Republicans don't call for ending the use of European rurallib Jan 2012 #9

Don't give them any ideas. Most republicans may think English was made in America. pampango Jan 2012 #10

You're absolutely right. mr blur Jan 2012 #3

I don't consider myself a socialist Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #5

They think Europe is still bombed out buildings and starving people izquierdista Jan 2012 #6

Americans ignorance about Europe is mind blowing! CTyankee Jan 2012 #7

What is really mind-blowing is that they say these things in public! nanabugg Jan 2012 #21

sometimes they change their minds. I met a midwestern woman who is Norwegian by descent and CTyankee Jan 2012 #22

Even in that decrepit pit of debt known as Italy WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2012 #8

A friend of mine moved to France nearly hifiguy Jan 2012 #11

What do you do if you don't want health care insurance? kctim Jan 2012 #12

Here (England), that's not an option Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #13

That lack of choice kctim Jan 2012 #16

Freedom to starve under a bridge... Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #18

I agree the guys arguments is paper thin MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #28

Freedom of choice kctim Jan 2012 #39

So... Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #44

No... kctim Jan 2012 #46

They don't mind Tsiyu Jan 2012 #60

Actually, yes they do. Haven't you noticed that schools and libraries are being closed? csziggy Jan 2012 #86

true about the closings Tsiyu Jan 2012 #92

We don't have freedom of choice! Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #56

What about children? CreekDog Jan 2012 #98

But we (UK) can have private insurance if we want (or want to pay for) it - mr blur Jan 2012 #32

You don't have to because you have no choice kctim Jan 2012 #40

What? This is a meaningless statement. mr blur Jan 2012 #42

I am telling you kctim Jan 2012 #43

What are you going on about? Rather than having basic insurance and freedom to get more uppityperson Jan 2012 #72

What about the choice TO have government health care? laundry_queen Jan 2012 #106

No matter how you try to spin this, it's seriously getting more comical with each statement. HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #49

There are only facts, no spin at all kctim Jan 2012 #50

You know what this sounds like to me? HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #53

You win the thread, Hugh. hifiguy Jan 2012 #54

Here's what's even sadder . . . HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #57

Yep. And the bigger the pool hifiguy Jan 2012 #59

Overhead Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #62

"And defending the "freedom" to die for want of medical treatment is not an argument I would care to kctim Jan 2012 #89

In the name of a healthier, better society? hifiguy Jan 2012 #91

"using government to force another individual to believe as you do"? WTF? Who is doing that? uppityperson Jan 2012 #102

Excellent post. laundry_queen Jan 2012 #105

Winner Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #61

You get a shiny new internet. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #66

Exactly. Good post, thank you. uppityperson Jan 2012 #73

So now you are guessing at what may be said in the future? kctim Jan 2012 #88

Wow you sound like such a libertarain right now. white_wolf Jan 2012 #107

freedom for 45,000 people to die uninsured each year. yay for rugged individualism. we're so smart. piratefish08 Jan 2012 #48

So we should take away the rights of ALL kctim Jan 2012 #51

A few? Hissyspit Jan 2012 #63

You've either never worked, or you've never been laid off DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #65

I am not trying to "sway" you one bit kctim Jan 2012 #76

Or how about *you* move to Somalia, libertarian paradise Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #67

Leave your country? Mr. West, is that you? kctim Jan 2012 #77

There's only one republican in this subthread Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #83

+1 nt laundry_queen Jan 2012 #108

+200 HughBeaumont Feb 2012 #110

What "rights of ALL" are being taken away? uppityperson Jan 2012 #74

Why would you not want health care? Marrah_G Jan 2012 #52

It's not about 'not wanting health care' kctim Jan 2012 #78

Right now people don't have the choice TO have it. laundry_queen Jan 2012 #109

I have no idea why you are trying to explain that kctim Feb 2012 #113

The US government "mandates" that you pretty much have to buy insurance, or you're screwed. Quantess Feb 2012 #115

Taxes are a government mandate that support those laundry_queen Feb 2012 #117

This is disingenuous in the extreme Mopar151 Feb 2012 #111

Not the least bit disingenuous kctim Feb 2012 #112

Those "millions and millions" are already stiffing us with the bill! Mopar151 Feb 2012 #114

The thing is you have a functionally false set of assumptions TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #116

that's actually a bs line being sold by republicans DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #64

You need to venture out of CA kctim Jan 2012 #79

is 44 states on the checklist good enough for you? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #81

While ND is a beautiful state kctim Jan 2012 #85

I'll take that as a yes. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #87

Concern trolling universal health care doesn't make you a "moderate" CreekDog Jan 2012 #99

You are free to not use your insurance if you don't want to. Having the ability to use it is giving uppityperson Jan 2012 #71

No, their argument is kctim Jan 2012 #80

We don't get to pick and chose what government services are paid for by our tax money csziggy Jan 2012 #90

too late. you used the public trough and you still do CreekDog Jan 2012 #100

Just. Don't. Use. It. Like you can chose to not use public schools or roads. uppityperson Jan 2012 #103

Seriously? laundry_queen Jan 2012 #104

to me this is like saying, i won't drive on highways so i won't pay taxes La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2012 #23

and it's too late...that poster already took from the system CreekDog Jan 2012 #101

You pay because you may one day need emergency treatment Londoncalling Jan 2012 #41

Oh, don't tell Robinson Crusoe that!!! HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #55

To be fair MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #82

in England, you don't have to have health insurance CreekDog Jan 2012 #68

What if you don't want to be defended by armed forces? 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2012 #93

How about just a working healthcare system and affordable insurance JCMach1 Jan 2012 #14

That works too n/t Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #17

If we're going to have affordable private insurance, it'll have to be non-profit coops meow2u3 Jan 2012 #27

+1000 LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #15

Such as the ConDems Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #35

How can people learn to depend on Jesus if bad stuff can't happen to them? CreekDog Jan 2012 #69

There is currently a financial crisis in Europe. Surely this bears on the discussion. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #19

Tell us how, Romulox. sibelian Jan 2012 #20

Several Europeans governments are debating "austerity" measures--e.g. Romulox Jan 2012 #25

This austerity debate is American made as a part of disaster capital and Milton Friedman's trickle jwirr Jan 2012 #29

That wasn't the reason for it, that just made it happen sooner. abowsh Jan 2012 #94

Doesn't really figure into it Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #36

Um, no. It's much more serious than that. Check the world news. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #38

I do, often Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #45

are ANY of these nations considering eliminating universal health care? CreekDog Jan 2012 #70

I don't know wtf you are talking about; I support Single Payer Healthcare here in the US. Romulox Jan 2012 #84

isn't there a financial crisis here? La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2012 #24

Not to the same degree. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #26

Pretty sure there's one in the USA as well. Quantess Jan 2012 #31

Most countries' health care services are not "free" Quantess Jan 2012 #30

No fees to see a doctor in the NHS (nt) mr blur Jan 2012 #33

that's the UK? Quantess Jan 2012 #34

Different nations do it slightly differently Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #37

Prescriptions are free in Scotland (nt) MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #58

Thems Guvmint DEATH PANELS!!! ellisonz Jan 2012 #47

I love Europe, especially for this reason CreekDog Jan 2012 #75

And yet England is the country that has fewer social safety nets Cleita Jan 2012 #95

Yep, we do Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #96

I'm not criticizing. Sorry if it came across like that. Cleita Jan 2012 #97