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paleotn

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74. I agree and get the same breathlessly hysterical responses...

Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:07 PM

Mar 2013

....Fact is, the planet cannot support the % of homo sapiens living the consumer lifestyle we have now, much less another 2.5 billion Chinese and Indians.

Reminds me of the movie Independence Day. I doubt the makers had this in mind when they produced that mindless piece of entertainment, but WE are no better than the "aliens." WE are doing the same damn thing to our home planet. WE would do the same to other worlds as well, but fortunately for the galaxy we currently cannot get off this rock, except in very small numbers and even then, we can't travel terribly far.

I also agree that we will be one of the losers in the great, Anthropocene extinction, when the last two humans kill each other, fighting over the last barrel of oil. The jury is still out on whether human "intelligence" is a viable, evolutionary survival strategy, but so far it doesn't look good.

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What they don't tell you about FL sinkholes. In 2010 growers pumped a billion gallons a day [View all] madfloridian Mar 2013 OP

Of course DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #1

85 sinkholes in just a short time is a very high price to pay for strawberries. madfloridian Mar 2013 #2

With all due respect to the local economy, people in Upstate New York hedgehog Mar 2013 #6

Loss of homes, high property insurance, high water bills are subsidizing the Fl strawberry economy. L0oniX Mar 2013 #63

Amen to that. madfloridian Mar 2013 #87

K&R for scientific context n/t alp227 Mar 2013 #3

Brownwood Subdivision in Baytown, TX was abandoned due to groundwater pumping Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #4

I remember going through that area back in the mid 70's. TexasTowelie Mar 2013 #47

Wow Heather MC Mar 2013 #53

FEMA bought out KatyMan Mar 2013 #59

swampland, essentially elehhhhna Mar 2013 #78

unreal Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #5

Wow. This is eye opening. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #7

Fascinating Info from you there! Thanks..it raises many questions KoKo Mar 2013 #8

I agree KoKo. Much more then meets the eye here. madfloridian Mar 2013 #46

I smell corporate political money ...and Adam Putnam. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #65

not to mention the golf courses... Sancho Mar 2013 #9

OMG ...all the waste and polution ...for the rich assholes. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #64

There are about a dozen golf courses in Pinellas County (Clearwater, St. Pete)... Sancho Mar 2013 #72

I live there ...and know that ...seen the effects of the polution ...and high water bills. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #75

Yea, one of, if not the.... paleotn Mar 2013 #70

Gone baby gone Augiedog Mar 2013 #10

Or until it damages Mr.Bill Mar 2013 #13

You are right. They didn't tell us. Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #11

Reminds me of the Oglalla Aquifer being drained... Little Star Mar 2013 #18

I do remember the Oglalla Aquifer, Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #24

"I�d like to share a revelation that I�ve had, during my time here." CrispyQ Mar 2013 #58

I agree and get the same breathlessly hysterical responses... paleotn Mar 2013 #74

With all due respect to Hugo Weaving quakerboy Mar 2013 #86

Same with the Salton Sea here in California Tempest Mar 2013 #38

What are people going to drink? erronis Mar 2013 #88

k and r--thank you for this information. niyad Mar 2013 #12

i wondered about that. i read something not so long ago about another giant (much bigger HiPointDem Mar 2013 #14

Citrus or strawberry or other? madfloridian Mar 2013 #20

it doesn't seem like it was either of those, something more industrial. it was huge, i'll try to HiPointDem Mar 2013 #21

here it is. not florida, louisiana. corporation = texas brine company HiPointDem Mar 2013 #29

KNR. How is this getting reported without reference to this issue? DirkGently Mar 2013 #15

John Zarrella who is CNN�s Miami correspondent reported this last night on Little Star Mar 2013 #17

Good for him. In 2010 the local stations reported a little, then they backed away. madfloridian Mar 2013 #26

His pain was so raw and visible on tv last night I couldn't get it out of my mind all day today.... Little Star Mar 2013 #32

Fracking in Texas will do the same. Simple oil removal has already resulted in mbperrin Mar 2013 #16

Wow. That looks scarey. Catherine Vincent Mar 2013 #23

Wow, I just showed that to my son home from TX for visit. madfloridian Mar 2013 #39

It's pretty interesting. Robb Mar 2013 #41

oil & salt often found together. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #43

Somehow abelenkpe Mar 2013 #56

Well, abelenkpe, I agree with you. mbperrin Mar 2013 #61

I AM a Socialist... RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #81

My bet is that the fracking/gas corporations are invested in clean water resources as well. L0oniX Mar 2013 #66

k&r rhett o rick Mar 2013 #19

k&r... spanone Mar 2013 #22

Thanks, madfloridian! I just heard another blip about it on the car radio while gateley Mar 2013 #25

More details. Caused 60 ft drop in aquifer which went up 50 ft in a few days. madfloridian Mar 2013 #27

They followed up allowing the pumping with a change to insurance rules okwmember Mar 2013 #28

State Farm dropped sinkhole coverage, but said we could pay for a survey and then get it. madfloridian Mar 2013 #34

Lucky you. okwmember Mar 2013 #92

Because of your zip code? madfloridian Mar 2013 #93

I had NO idea! Our media exists to keep us annabanana Mar 2013 #30

Blaming Man For These Sinkholes Is Like Blaming DallasNE Mar 2013 #31

I blame man for using resources irresponsibly. I think homeowners have a right to know... madfloridian Mar 2013 #33

. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #35

I learned about this from the msm. hay rick Mar 2013 #36

Ha.. madfloridian Mar 2013 #37

Given full knowledge of ProSense Mar 2013 #40

Florida is known for such madness in some areas. madfloridian Mar 2013 #42

The USA Corporation is known for its madness all over the world. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #67

The madness seems to be everywhere in all areas Ligyron Mar 2013 #68

Sinkhole politics: Who Gets Heard. Excellent article from Brandon Courier madfloridian Mar 2013 #44

I wish I had paid more attention. dothemath Mar 2013 #45

sinkhole "expert" on baynews 9 says onethatcares Mar 2013 #48

Clay? Really? I know some N.Florida areas have red clay like GA.... madfloridian Mar 2013 #54

no, it's another faux lite onethatcares Mar 2013 #71

I have wondered about Al for a while. madfloridian Mar 2013 #83

Freaking wow!! malaise Mar 2013 #49

"They" do tell us about this. There are numerous discussions about water use vs sinkholes bike man Mar 2013 #50

Yes, home users are limited always. Mandatory restrictions. madfloridian Mar 2013 #55

No stopping them ... chervilant Mar 2013 #51

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" have become anti-abortion, anti-government, and the Maineman Mar 2013 #52

This is a must read jsr Mar 2013 #57

Great OP, great thread! JNelson6563 Mar 2013 #60

Hi Julie. Yeh things are bad here in many ways. madfloridian Mar 2013 #69

...and we all here will be paying higher water bills so they can make money from strawberries. L0oniX Mar 2013 #62

If it weren't for DU, and especially MF, I wouldn't know about this at all. eppur_se_muova Mar 2013 #73

I just did another search....nothing. madfloridian Mar 2013 #77

Disaster in the making! cynzke Mar 2013 #76

Wow. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #79

Thanks. madfloridian Mar 2013 #80

Sinkholes are a natural part of the geology of Florida. WcoastO Mar 2013 #82

Let's stop pretending. The aquifer is essential, and depleting it is stupid. madfloridian Mar 2013 #84

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000 Little Star Mar 2013 #89

Sinkholes will become common in other areas OldHippieChick Mar 2013 #85

You mean to tell me that pumping groundwater out of waterlogged land... Scootaloo Mar 2013 #90

Excellent Post. FarPoint Mar 2013 #91