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51. "checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search"

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Sun Mar 3, 2013, 04:18 PM

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Man OWNING Department of Homeland Security and their idiotic immigration checkpoints. [View all] Logical Mar 2013 OP

My understanding is that DHS owns 100 miles into the country from all borders Angry Dragon Mar 2013 #1

Did now know that. But IMO it is still harassment. More power grab from the feds. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #2

100 miles from the border which includes the coasts. It's most of the metro areas in the country. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #10

Yes, it includes all points of international entry...so it's around all int'l airports HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #29

Says who? Did they pay for it? James48 Mar 2013 #30

Perhaps 'owns' is not the correct word Angry Dragon Mar 2013 #34

"owns"? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #49

See post #34 Angry Dragon Mar 2013 #50

I live close to the border (20 miles) panader0 Mar 2013 #3

That is horrible! Did they offer any reimbursement for gas? n-t Logical Mar 2013 #4

Don't hold your breath. hobbit709 Mar 2013 #5

Yes, the bullshit positive response from the dog RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #6

The dogs have false positive rates of upwards of 50% NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #7

Training a dog to alert on false evidence GiveMeFreedom Mar 2013 #11

Isn't the dog conducting an illegal search which violates the 4th Amendment? eom ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #16

I don't think so RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #19

Well, I'd like to see that ruling because it's still a search. I'll see if I can find it. Thanks =) ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #21

That's not quite right. The front door sniff is before the Supreme Court right now. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #55

That's a ruling we the people lost Nevernose Mar 2013 #36

where did they go? Kali Mar 2013 #45

10 years of this have cost us $800 billion dollars. I'm sure glad we've gotten our money's worth. :/ Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #8

Sorry, the border is a Fourth Amendment-free zone. They don't need a reason. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #9

These aren't border checkpoints. THAT'S the issue here. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2013 #13

They claim the right to do immigration control up to 75 miles from the border, I think. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #22

Thanks for explaining it. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2013 #23

And yet I don't see arrests here. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #24

The key is ignorance of The People. Second is some people's ready willingness to ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #26

+1 n-t Logical Mar 2013 #54

And where is that codified by law? I want to see the law that abolishes the 4th Amendment. eom ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #17

A while ago Stryder Mar 2013 #37

100 miles FROM the borders = MOST of the U.S. population!! Why HAVE the 4th Amendment? WinkyDink Mar 2013 #18

I LIVE about 40 miles from the Canadian border... GreenEyedLefty Mar 2013 #40

Of course you do---or did! I was being sarcastic! WinkyDink Mar 2013 #58

The interior checkpoints aren't the border. There is no legal ground to check IDs or detain people leveymg Mar 2013 #20

Yep. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #25

The interesting thing here is that Secondary Inspection is a request not an order leveymg Mar 2013 #27

united states vs. martinez-fuerte , 1977 says it's legal James48 Mar 2013 #46

"checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search" HiPointDem Mar 2013 #51

Yes, but compliance with a "voluntary" search is not mandatory w/out probable cause. leveymg Mar 2013 #57

There is a immigration checkpoint in texas Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #12

At Sierra Blanca, I think. They ought to call it "The Willie Nelson Memorial Checkpoint." Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #15

Oh, this is funny! Those Customs guys are just gobsmacked that anyone would challenge them. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #14

The DHS needs to be permanently "sequestered". Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #28

The stupid thing is BlueStreak Mar 2013 #32

The Immigration Checkpoints are acting avebury Mar 2013 #31

Wow, it really is Nazi Germany. These guys' resistance is great. nt valerief Mar 2013 #33

speaking for myself SemperEadem Mar 2013 #35

+1 n-t Logical Mar 2013 #38

Re-entering the country from Canada last summer made my blood boil. GreenEyedLefty Mar 2013 #39

Feds love controlling us. TSA is a joke. And people still give them credit. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #41

This utterly stuns me speechless. This video needs to go viral. snagglepuss Mar 2013 #42

Google Radley Balko, he reports on this stuff a lot. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #56

"A normal person" doesn't submit to warrantless questions and searches.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #43

So true! +1, n-t Logical Mar 2013 #47

I fucking LOVE these videos Kali Mar 2013 #44

Good for you! Keep it up. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #48

Thank you GW Bush for 9/11 Politicalboi Mar 2013 #52

Actually, this started pre-9/11 nt. X_Digger Mar 2013 #53