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RudynJack

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70. You defend Manning's oath

Sun Mar 3, 2013, 07:17 PM

Mar 2013

the same way the right wing defends Col. Lakin's oath.

No matter how right you think he is, he broke the law. You pretend there was no other possible recourse, which is untrue. Just like the Freepers think Lakin was "upholding his oath". He wasn't - he was a cowardly jerk-off, who thought he was above the law.

Manning is not above the law. Nobody has shown that he was trying to uncover a PARTICULAR crime. It's been asked a few times here, and nobody will answer honestly. You wanna yell "WAR CRIMES!"? Well, which particular war crime? And can you argue that every single document he released was related to a particular crime?

No, you cannot. I understand that you agree with his notion that government should be transparent. I don't understand why you think a single private in the military should decide for himself what the government should release.

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Bradley Manning is a true American hero. [View all] kpete Mar 2013 OP

agreed, 100 percent.... mike_c Mar 2013 #1

Would you feel the same way customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #2

He recognized a greater duty. And I thank him for that. morningfog Mar 2013 #4

In the end, history will be his judge, I guess customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #5

Of course the military thinks he's a traitor. He exposed them for the murderous morningfog Mar 2013 #6

"Many Americans" can be fooled very easily. MessiahRp Mar 2013 #71

Correct Smilo Mar 2013 #76

depends on if what i was doing was evil datasuspect Mar 2013 #9

No, it just depends customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #12

I thought I was the only one here that thinks Manning is an idiot LTR Mar 2013 #11

No, you're not the only one. Cha Mar 2013 #16

While I was willing to argue the point customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #17

Oh please Hillary will not be president. At least I hope not. white_wolf Mar 2013 #20

So, Barack Obama is a DLC Centrist? brooklynite Mar 2013 #29

Yes he is. white_wolf Mar 2013 #46

So, then, not voting for anyone in the Democratic Primary? brooklynite Mar 2013 #59

if they don't have anyone who isn't owned by Wall Street, then no. white_wolf Mar 2013 #60

So, my vote will have more influence than yours...thanks. brooklynite Mar 2013 #61

Actually, he's an old-school Republican alarimer Mar 2013 #72

President Obama put through tax increase on me and the rest of the 1%... brooklynite Mar 2013 #74

If she announces that she wants the nomination customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #92

Some secrets need to be revealed. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #22

I'm certain customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #93

Some of the secrets should not have been so think Mar 2013 #32

I agree, he is no hero in my book n/t doc03 Mar 2013 #37

He lifted the rock and the creepy crawlies are pissed and scampering upi402 Mar 2013 #3

Russia Today and Iran's PressTV get off on telling the truth about America's problems. Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #7

He is a vile little piece of Peregrine Mar 2013 #8

do you kiss your mother with that mouth? datasuspect Mar 2013 #10

awww Blue Palasky Mar 2013 #18

He's a true patriot who deserves a medal. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #23

So we all should just shut the hell up and ignore shit like this?: think Mar 2013 #38

Whislte blowers generally do violate some laws, but here in this democracy sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #39

So... was Daniel Ellsberg also a "vile little piece of sh.." for the Pentagon Papers?... cascadiance Mar 2013 #62

Bradley Manning is fighting for ME, my constitutional civil liberties, bvar22 Mar 2013 #13

This! MoreGOPoop Mar 2013 #14

A soldier undermines the civilian government's diplomacy! What could be better? struggle4progress Mar 2013 #51

WHAT diplomacy?? vanlassie Mar 2013 #75

If you actually have something to say, why not say it? struggle4progress Mar 2013 #79

My point is that thanks to the actions of the Bush Administration, diplomacy is not vanlassie Mar 2013 #84

Well, of course, no one who has a lick of sense imagines that governments of any kind struggle4progress Mar 2013 #89

OK... vanlassie Mar 2013 #90

He will go down in history, like the White Rose reorg Mar 2013 #15

Just like RudynJack Mar 2013 #25

Manning did expose particular war crimes, I guess you haven't been reading sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #40

Like the students of the White Rose, he risked his life reorg Mar 2013 #52

Nothing obliges you to like Mr Obama or his administration, but comparing them all to Nazis struggle4progress Mar 2013 #73

The hypocrisy is sickening noise Mar 2013 #86

You're welcome to take the PoV that soldiers are entitled to ignore constraints imposed on them struggle4progress Mar 2013 #88

Claims that he was a principled whistleblower might have had some credibility, struggle4progress Mar 2013 #19

Yes, every government expects to be able to operate in secrecy, ronnie624 Mar 2013 #21

+1 MNBrewer Mar 2013 #24

Which particular crme RudynJack Mar 2013 #27

All of the crimes that the US government commits ronnie624 Mar 2013 #31

You misunderstood my question. RudynJack Mar 2013 #33

No, I understood your question. ronnie624 Mar 2013 #35

So which crime, specifically, are you referring to? Whats_that Mar 2013 #67

War crimes, none of which have been investigated btw in case you had not noticed. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #41

You have no objection to military personnel undermining the diplomatic corps? struggle4progress Mar 2013 #49

You're not making any sense at all. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #56

You do not understand this notion of civilian control of the military? It is not a difficult notion, struggle4progress Mar 2013 #64

Is torture Constiutional? Are you aware of the oath taken by members of the US sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #68

You defend Manning's oath RudynJack Mar 2013 #70

.... think Mar 2013 #43

You are free to dislike diplomats and to oppose diplomacy if you like, but then you should be struggle4progress Mar 2013 #45

Diplomacy? ronnie624 Mar 2013 #47

Let's see a link for your claim US diplomats are assassinating journalists struggle4progress Mar 2013 #48

And "WE don't torture" either. vanlassie Mar 2013 #77

This particular subthread concerns ronnie's claim that US diplomats assassinate journalists struggle4progress Mar 2013 #81

Sometimes your posts are rather strange. ronnie624 Mar 2013 #78

Your prior post indicated you believe US diplomats are murdering journalists: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #80

I think you're mistaken. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2013 #83

OK.�You were free to clarify what you were actually saying, if you really wanted to be understood. struggle4progress Mar 2013 #87

Thank you. RudynJack Mar 2013 #26

It was a long-winded way of saying, 'I like the status quo, and I hate anyone who undermines it'. nt ronnie624 Mar 2013 #28

Only to those RudynJack Mar 2013 #34

? ronnie624 Mar 2013 #36

It's a long of saying 'don't expose Bush's war crimes' considering that sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #42

That's a cheap shot and a cop out struggle4progress Mar 2013 #82

I didn't intend for it to be. ronnie624 Mar 2013 #85

+1 gulliver Mar 2013 #30

Well done, struggle4progress Cha Mar 2013 #57

Why 'unfortunate'?? RT is one of the best most fact filled international news outlets sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #44

When do you expect RT will start publishing Russia's diplomatic cables? struggle4progress Mar 2013 #50

As soon as they publish any of the others. You don't watch it, do you? But you sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #54

It's a propaganda outlet owned by the Russian state struggle4progress Mar 2013 #55

Just as I thought, you are simply reacting to the old, historical Cold War rhetoric sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #58

Has nothing to do with the Cold War... brooklynite Mar 2013 #63

Well having observed the brutal crackdown of peaceful OWS protesters, the near sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #66

al Jazeera is good too MNBrewer Mar 2013 #65

This sub-thread is amazing. The fact that you even have to make this point Number23 Mar 2013 #91

amen. Ola. Mar 2013 #53

No matter what one's opinion of him, he is right here: freshwest Mar 2013 #69