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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 09:32 AM Jan 2012

Panetta: Decision to Kill Americans Suspected of Terrorism Is Obama's [View all]

MotherJones wonders: Whatever happened to that Bill of Rights thing, anyway?



Panetta: Decision to Kill Americans Suspected of Terrorism Is Obama's

—By Adam Serwer
MotherJones
Mon Jan. 30, 2012 12:13 PM PS

In an interview with CBS 60 Minutes' Scott Pelley, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta revealed more about the secret process the Obama administration uses to kill American citizens suspected of terrorism without trial. According to Panetta, the president himself approves the decision based on recommendations from top national security officials.

"[The] President of the United States, obviously reviews these cases, reviews the legal justification and in the end says, go or no go," Panetta said.

SNIP...

Panetta's explanation isn't much more complex than "when we say someone is a terrorist, then we can kill them, because they're a terrorist." The entire point of due process, however, is to determine whether or not someone is actually guilty. The defense secretary's metaphor—that you can fire back when someone "holds a gun to your head"—might justify killing an American citizen who is fighting on an actual battlefield, like Afghanistan. But it suggests violence as an appropriate response to an imminent threat, rather than the actual circumstances under which say, radical cleric and American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki appears to have been killed.

President Obama just signed a bill that, if not for its many administrative loopholes, would "mandate" military detention for non-citizen terror suspects apprehended on American soil, so it's not accurate for Panetta to state that "any" suspected terrorist apprehended by the US receives due process. The vast majority of the nearly two hundred detainees at Gitmo have never been charged with anything, let alone tried and convicted. Osama bin Laden was the admitted leader of a group engaged in an armed conflict against US troops in Afghanistan; concrete evidence that al-Awlaki was more than a font for extremist propaganda has never been aired.

CONTINUED...

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/01/panetta-obama-signs-killings-americans-suspected-terrorism

Am I terrorist for pointing this out? Should I wear a super-size flag pin to avoid suspicion?

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Du rec. Nt xchrom Jan 2012 #1
Secret panel can put Americans on 'kill list' Octafish Jan 2012 #3
Star Chamber? RC Jan 2012 #11
Am I terrorist for pointing this out? Should I wear a super-size flag pin to avoid suspicion? rgbecker Jan 2012 #2
Absolutely. What do they think government is, a jobs agency? Octafish Jan 2012 #5
I was assigned to an Intelligence squadron that was responsible for Predator UAVs from '98-03 MrScorpio Jan 2012 #10
Let's just PRETEND for a moment that it is okay because we trust Obama. Bonobo Jan 2012 #4
The police kill suspects all the time without a trial surfdog Jan 2012 #6
using flying robots in foreign countries? frylock Jan 2012 #18
Oh I see surfdog Jan 2012 #21
you don't see shit.. frylock Feb 2012 #26
Are you being facetious? XemaSab Jan 2012 #19
That is the central question, since Pruneface was a pup... Octafish Jan 2012 #7
Um, President Bush had this power, and used it. It's been there since 9/18/01. msanthrope Jan 2012 #8
Which American citizens did Bush kill again? I forgot. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #12
Start with Kamal Derwish surfdog Jan 2012 #13
I didn't see your post when I replied. I don't think Kamal was the first, and won't be the last. n msanthrope Jan 2012 #15
THANK YOU! Bluerthanblue Jan 2012 #16
Start with Kamal Derwish (sp?), and add on every soldier sent to Iraq. msanthrope Jan 2012 #14
Yes, you did. Robb Jan 2012 #17
Congrats on proving Obama is no worse than Bush! Bonobo Jan 2012 #25
Recommended for reminding us that the rule of law is no more. mmonk Jan 2012 #9
So much for democracy and the rule of law in this country MadHound Jan 2012 #20
As I said way back when... Rex Jan 2012 #22
Worse yet, all those abuses by the BFEE have now been codified into law MadHound Jan 2012 #23
I try not to think about that too much. Rex Feb 2012 #28
When will Occupy and the like become "terrorists"? Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #24
Some official in Oakland already called them domestic terrorists. EFerrari Feb 2012 #27
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