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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. That is the central question, since Pruneface was a pup...
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:06 AM
Jan 2012

Because I know a couple of people who know him personally, I think Obama is a good guy.

That has nothing to do with growing, governmental powers mentioned nowhere in the Constitution, at the same time the very rights mentioned in the Constitution are being forfeited in a most un-democratic manner: In secrecy and without a vote.

From Christopher Simpson, info on how Poppy started the big ball of wax when he pried control out of the bed-ridden Pruneface:



George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of "Counter-Terrorism"

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.

SNIP...

Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=YZqRyj_QXf8C&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=christopher+simpson+The+Uses+of+%E2%80%98Counter-Terrorism%E2%80%99&source=bl&ots=8klB0PzATX&sig=hi9DpE3qF43Oefh7iGn79W4jXQs&hl=en&ei=zAFQTeriBsr2gAfu1Mgc&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=christopher%20simpson%20The%20Uses%20of%20%E2%80%98Counter-Terrorism%E2%80%99&f=false



I hear ya, Bonobo. Gangster times would be a picnic compared to what these are become.

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Du rec. Nt xchrom Jan 2012 #1
Secret panel can put Americans on 'kill list' Octafish Jan 2012 #3
Star Chamber? RC Jan 2012 #11
Am I terrorist for pointing this out? Should I wear a super-size flag pin to avoid suspicion? rgbecker Jan 2012 #2
Absolutely. What do they think government is, a jobs agency? Octafish Jan 2012 #5
I was assigned to an Intelligence squadron that was responsible for Predator UAVs from '98-03 MrScorpio Jan 2012 #10
Let's just PRETEND for a moment that it is okay because we trust Obama. Bonobo Jan 2012 #4
The police kill suspects all the time without a trial surfdog Jan 2012 #6
using flying robots in foreign countries? frylock Jan 2012 #18
Oh I see surfdog Jan 2012 #21
you don't see shit.. frylock Feb 2012 #26
Are you being facetious? XemaSab Jan 2012 #19
That is the central question, since Pruneface was a pup... Octafish Jan 2012 #7
Um, President Bush had this power, and used it. It's been there since 9/18/01. msanthrope Jan 2012 #8
Which American citizens did Bush kill again? I forgot. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #12
Start with Kamal Derwish surfdog Jan 2012 #13
I didn't see your post when I replied. I don't think Kamal was the first, and won't be the last. n msanthrope Jan 2012 #15
THANK YOU! Bluerthanblue Jan 2012 #16
Start with Kamal Derwish (sp?), and add on every soldier sent to Iraq. msanthrope Jan 2012 #14
Yes, you did. Robb Jan 2012 #17
Congrats on proving Obama is no worse than Bush! Bonobo Jan 2012 #25
Recommended for reminding us that the rule of law is no more. mmonk Jan 2012 #9
So much for democracy and the rule of law in this country MadHound Jan 2012 #20
As I said way back when... Rex Jan 2012 #22
Worse yet, all those abuses by the BFEE have now been codified into law MadHound Jan 2012 #23
I try not to think about that too much. Rex Feb 2012 #28
When will Occupy and the like become "terrorists"? Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #24
Some official in Oakland already called them domestic terrorists. EFerrari Feb 2012 #27
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