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In reply to the discussion: Panetta: Decision to Kill Americans Suspected of Terrorism Is Obama's [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)7. That is the central question, since Pruneface was a pup...
Because I know a couple of people who know him personally, I think Obama is a good guy.
That has nothing to do with growing, governmental powers mentioned nowhere in the Constitution, at the same time the very rights mentioned in the Constitution are being forfeited in a most un-democratic manner: In secrecy and without a vote.
From Christopher Simpson, info on how Poppy started the big ball of wax when he pried control out of the bed-ridden Pruneface:
George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of "Counter-Terrorism"
By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58
A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.
During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.
Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.
The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.
SNIP...
Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.
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http://books.google.com/books?id=YZqRyj_QXf8C&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=christopher+simpson+The+Uses+of+%E2%80%98Counter-Terrorism%E2%80%99&source=bl&ots=8klB0PzATX&sig=hi9DpE3qF43Oefh7iGn79W4jXQs&hl=en&ei=zAFQTeriBsr2gAfu1Mgc&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=christopher%20simpson%20The%20Uses%20of%20%E2%80%98Counter-Terrorism%E2%80%99&f=false
I hear ya, Bonobo. Gangster times would be a picnic compared to what these are become.
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Panetta: Decision to Kill Americans Suspected of Terrorism Is Obama's [View all]
Octafish
Jan 2012
OP
Am I terrorist for pointing this out? Should I wear a super-size flag pin to avoid suspicion?
rgbecker
Jan 2012
#2
I was assigned to an Intelligence squadron that was responsible for Predator UAVs from '98-03
MrScorpio
Jan 2012
#10
Um, President Bush had this power, and used it. It's been there since 9/18/01.
msanthrope
Jan 2012
#8