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el_bryanto

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32. And he's also easier to teach - he pandered to a white audience.

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Mon Mar 4, 2013, 10:47 AM

Mar 2013

I disagree on Duke Ellington - i'd say he was at least as important as Louis Armstrong and possibly more so.

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Why are certain prominent and significant people written out of US History? [View all] Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 OP

When I've subbed in history, I'm always amazed at what's glossed over. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #1

Or the REAL reason TX fought for independence from Mexico hobbit709 Mar 2013 #3

I'm not a history buff, kentauros Mar 2013 #13

I know several teachers who teach by the connections. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #26

And I think I learned (not to mention retained) more kentauros Mar 2013 #34

Wars are easy to teach. Dates, names, battles, etc. Recursion Mar 2013 #33

I would think teaching peace-history would be more inspiring to students, too. kentauros Mar 2013 #35

except there's not that much "peace" history to teach about... nt msongs Mar 2013 #58

Sure there is! kentauros Mar 2013 #59

Even politics: what if Clay, Calhoun, and Webster got as much time as the Civil War? Recursion Mar 2013 #73

That's true. kentauros Mar 2013 #76

"Peace" history could be incredibly fascinating Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #97

Debs, Norman Thomas, and many others. hobbit709 Mar 2013 #2

I think this is gonna be a good thread. Ron Green Mar 2013 #4

Kind of accidental if it is. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #7

Oliver Stone had the movie rights to Butler's story, but hasn't produced it. leveymg Mar 2013 #5

P.P.S. - For more background on Oliver Stone's aborted Butler film project, please see: leveymg Mar 2013 #10

History is a discipline and the fact is that there are few who actually possess that discipline. Cary Mar 2013 #6

Butler, at least, is pretty famous Recursion Mar 2013 #8

That is an incredible misrepresentation of what happened. leveymg Mar 2013 #12

Oh, it's clear MacGuire, Bush, and Du Pont would have liked to have done it Recursion Mar 2013 #22

Committee report found that a number of major financiers and industrialists signed on. leveymg Mar 2013 #31

Don't leave out Prescott Bush, HW's father and W's grandfather. brush Mar 2013 #39

Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker were involved in financing Hitler, not this plot. leveymg Mar 2013 #61

Yet another group of fascists during the '30s? brush Mar 2013 #63

The DuPonts and Morgan Bank interests were at the heart of the '34 plot. Bush/Walker worked at leveymg Mar 2013 #64

BBC fellah found a box of stuff in Washington... Octafish Mar 2013 #87

Yes it is. Are you surprised? Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #27

Well... not so fast: Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #14

Isn't that from "War is a racket"? Recursion Mar 2013 #16

News to me if it is. *Marines* are assigned this? n/t Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #19

Well, a biography of him that included it. We also read Che Guevarra Recursion Mar 2013 #21

House Speaker McCormick maintained his committee's conclusion the "business plot" was real. leveymg Mar 2013 #20

the whole Native American history is only told rurallib Mar 2013 #9

That is a *given*. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #18

That's why I try to cover what I can in my classes. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #29

Is it a good movie? kwassa Mar 2013 #88

It's an excellent movie! knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #94

To be fair, they didn't exactly build enormous libraries documenting their history (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #37

"War is the Health of the State" Great essay by Randolph Bourne villager Mar 2013 #11

"Following the death of Christ, there was a period of readjustment that lasted FSogol Mar 2013 #15

Going to a history museum in Mexico City was very eye-opening. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #17

There's a theory that that unit was where the term "Gringo" came from Recursion Mar 2013 #25

I went to the same museum about 20 years ago and remember thinking.... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #62

That would be an amazing film. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #65

Right about now it would catch *fire*. (In more ways than one.) Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #72

Here's some more folks and things kids should be taught about in U.S. schools: Ken Burch Mar 2013 #23

Centralia Massacre... nt Bigmack Mar 2013 #30

That's a hard one Recursion Mar 2013 #36

Are we thinking about the same Centralia massacre? Hayabusa Mar 2013 #45

Oh, I guess not Recursion Mar 2013 #46

I didn't know about the WA, one. Hayabusa Mar 2013 #50

Wiki describes it as a "massacre" not as a shootout. The account reads more like self defense. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #70

You skipped the part where the Wobblies shot three unarmed Legionnaires with their rifles Recursion Mar 2013 #71

Didn't skip it. Included it: Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #75

Sorry, I missed that. The bloodstains were in the center of the street Recursion Mar 2013 #78

And those at Everett and Ludlow as well. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #91

And Denmark Vesey. nt raccoon Mar 2013 #43

Good one. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #90

I don't think Nat Turner or John Brown are glossed over at all RZM Mar 2013 #48

I probably would not include Nat Turner hfojvt Mar 2013 #67

You could use Turner as an example of what something like slavery does to the human mind. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #92

The Civil Rights folks would have been massacred. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #95

Yes, they would have-that wasn't my point, though. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #98

There's plenty of people who are forgotton for a number of reasons el_bryanto Mar 2013 #24

Louis Armstrong was integral to music in general.Without him and Bing Crosby, there was nothing. graham4anything Mar 2013 #28

And he's also easier to teach - he pandered to a white audience. el_bryanto Mar 2013 #32

Why not teach all 3 of them. Bing Louis Duke graham4anything Mar 2013 #40

That goes back to my original point el_bryanto Mar 2013 #44

I was also referring to actual recording history itself-see 3rd paragraph. graham4anything Mar 2013 #53

Until you get to college (and even then it depends on the professor)....... marmar Mar 2013 #38

You got that right. nt raccoon Mar 2013 #107

Because the time allotted to "social studies" or "history", kiva Mar 2013 #41

Our high schools no longer teach pre-1900 American History Nevernose Mar 2013 #42

I think that some aren't even teaching post-WWII history. DearHeart Mar 2013 #93

And that was the case until recently Nevernose Mar 2013 #99

Since I don't have kids, I don't know what they're teaching in high schools DearHeart Mar 2013 #108

I'm an English teacher, actually Nevernose Mar 2013 #109

It does seem like some people are trying to turn the schools into little factories. DearHeart Mar 2013 #110

Basically, there is only so much time in the school day and the school year. SheilaT Mar 2013 #47

Good point RZM Mar 2013 #51

You might be interested in Smedley's role in blowing the whistle on this.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #49

What I noticed was the treatment of Smedley Butler in the National Museum of the Marine Corps Nay Mar 2013 #52

My point exactly. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #56

These two: Ephram Squire and Edwin Davis...sorta my heroes... Tikki Mar 2013 #54

How many humans have lived just during recorded history? One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #55

Good points. Excellent post. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #105

The labor movement is pretty well glossed over. Blue_In_AK Mar 2013 #57

I dunno. I remember learning about Gompers, Debs, and Lewis, plus Haymarket and the Bonus army Recursion Mar 2013 #80

That may be true, Blue_In_AK Mar 2013 #85

Oh, me too, definitely Recursion Mar 2013 #86

I don't remember ever getting much past WW II Blue_In_AK Mar 2013 #96

Whole swaths of labor history nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #60

It (they) conflicts with the narrative of US exceptionalism Spike89 Mar 2013 #66

And pretty much anything that happened in large swaths of the country before the Anglo-Americans Retrograde Mar 2013 #68

U.S. history and actual historians have not so done. U.S. school textbooks are a different issue. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #69

Every day there is more "history", and school boards decide SoCalDem Mar 2013 #74

Given how much military worship is ingrained in us from childhood Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #77

Helen Keller was a Socialist. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #79

AND... a Wobblie: Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #83

Isabella Baumfree aka Sojourner Truth. Cleita Mar 2013 #81

Lucretia Mott Skittles Mar 2013 #103

Malcolm X KamaAina Mar 2013 #82

Malcolm is well known to my generation. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 #84

We read "The Autobiography of ..." in high school English class. kwassa Mar 2013 #89

The history I've read is quite broad and comprehensive. Guess the difference is . . . Journeyman Mar 2013 #100

Glaringly absent from history in the US is the way we treated Native Americans sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #101

On a different, local level, in LA, we have the fascinating JDPriestly Mar 2013 #102

First name that comes to mind is Nellie Bly. Neoma Mar 2013 #104

The Rockefellers and other oligarchs, and, woo me with science Mar 2013 #106