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SheilaT

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62. I keep on wondering if there is some threshold of gun deaths

Mon Mar 4, 2013, 12:23 PM

Mar 2013

that would finally be enough for the last gun-holdout. I'm not talking genuine crazies. They'll always cling to their guns. But for the otherwise sensible and "responsible" gun owners.

A school massacre that kills their own child or grandchild? Their own cousin being killed in a shoot-out? Their own aunt and uncle dying in a murder-suicide?

From what I can tell, as far as the gun apologists are concerned, not a single one of those deaths matters, it's just a very trivial price to pay for gun ownership.

Not long after Sandy Hook there were a couple of threads here asking members to post if they or someone they knew had been affected by gun violence. I didn't post, but I recalled a few in my life, including a hunting accident or two.

Personally, I am in favor of going door to door and taking away the guns. Not a popular stand, I admit, but as far as I'm concerned it's vastly better than two year olds picking up daddy's gun and killing herself. Responsible gun owners my rear end.

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I think we've already lost the gun control debate. [View all] Archae Mar 2013 OP

Guess I'll just give up then. Chorophyll Mar 2013 #1

No, but we've lost the parts that were bad ideas Recursion Mar 2013 #2

I agree with your last point. Archae Mar 2013 #4

Recursion, I just had to comment on this: thucythucy Mar 2013 #42

Sorry, and thank you. Edited Recursion Mar 2013 #43

You're welcome. thucythucy Mar 2013 #44

Slow and Steady scw211 Mar 2013 #147

Never give up, never say Die pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #3

How to enforce the auto rifle ban? Easy, in a 3 year program. jerseyjack Mar 2013 #5

The auto-rifle ban is 80 years old Recursion Mar 2013 #41

How would you get these weapons off the streets? lastlib Mar 2013 #54

They aren't on the streets. I'm infinitely more concerned about handguns Recursion Mar 2013 #59

Can you explain what you mean by "ring of fire" BainsBane Mar 2013 #145

The 'ring of fire' was a group of inter-related manufacturers of small, inexpensive, petronius Mar 2013 #153

handguns scw211 Mar 2013 #146

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #135

Working for a Gun-Free America. One day at a time. Longterm, the NRA is dead graham4anything Mar 2013 #6

cigs were a different story bossy22 Mar 2013 #9

Second Hand smoke can kill all who breathe it. So do guns and bullets. graham4anything Mar 2013 #15

Second Hand Smoke RobinA Mar 2013 #23

the reason cigs are still made is there are still smokers bossy22 Mar 2013 #26

the people they shoot sure do. graham4anything Mar 2013 #36

So, you think the MAJORITY of gun owners shoot people? Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #85

How is the weather there on Fantasy Island? Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #77

Because they want to be respectable? graham4anything Mar 2013 #79

What smart business person is going to agree to a clause like that in their contract? Pararescue Mar 2013 #82

The Weird is strong with this one. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #84

The few posts I've read has my eyes rolling and my brain short circuiting. Pararescue Mar 2013 #87

Selling WMDs can't be very satisfying, especially if one of the stores babies is used badly graham4anything Mar 2013 #86

Ooookaaaay then. Pararescue Mar 2013 #88

WMDs? This thread is about guns and you're taking about sarin derby378 Mar 2013 #115

Why does bloombergs personal security detail carry WMDS? beevul Mar 2013 #121

What???? First of all, there is nothing unrespectable about a gun shop. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #83

Working for a gun in the streets free America, by the middle of Hillary's first term. graham4anything Mar 2013 #89

And what role will Pope Michael Bloomberg The Infallible play in your Fantasy Island Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #90

He'll be the soda push-cart vendor! jmg257 Mar 2013 #91

"Here you go. That's 3 ounces of high-fructose corn syrup Coke. That'll be $49.50...AND you have to Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #92

Would you vote for Hillary/Bloomberg on the democratic ticket in 2016? graham4anything Mar 2013 #93

I don't know if a Pope can run as VP. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #94

Your comment is silly. Mike Bloomberg is Jewish. graham4anything Mar 2013 #96

He's also a Republican. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #98

He is not running. He is going to spend the next 30 years making sure the streets are safe graham4anything Mar 2013 #102

Until he's 100? Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #104

Because of wellness, his mother lived to 102. Wellness, leads to long lives more than not graham4anything Mar 2013 #105

So does being filthy rich with Wall Street cash. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #106

No, didn't help Steve Jobs, the richest man in history did it? graham4anything Mar 2013 #107

Guns never saved anyone??? Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #109

Working for a bullet Free America, one day at a time. And then, you can keep your gun. graham4anything Mar 2013 #129

Such a trifling concern at a time like this. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #108

I wouldn't vote for Bloomberg for dogcatcher. Pararescue Mar 2013 #95

You do know that Warren used to be a republican don't you? graham4anything Mar 2013 #97

Yes, I know that. Pararescue Mar 2013 #99

Would you rather have Warren or Bloomberg on the ticket? nt Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #100

I would rather have Hillary Clintion and Janet Napolitano graham4anything Mar 2013 #101

Gov. Napolitano was much more popular as governor Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #103

She will bring in the southwest states graham4anything Mar 2013 #110

Gun-free streets, or gun-free America? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #18

That would be telling. Wouldn't it? graham4anything Mar 2013 #20

I've seen both phrases from you. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #21

Only people that should have a gun is law enforcement while on duty. graham4anything Mar 2013 #25

i agree bossy22 Mar 2013 #27

Soon after the guns are banned, we can move to your pet projects. graham4anything Mar 2013 #38

They can have my pool Go Vols Mar 2013 #112

Lets be realistic scw211 Mar 2013 #148

Working for a bullet free in the streets America one day at a time. You may keep 100 guns. graham4anything Mar 2013 #150

Except, of course, for weapons in the hands of government employees slackmaster Mar 2013 #56

I'm here to help speed the NRA's demise. lastlib Mar 2013 #58

You could fight them with conventional weapons, SayWut Mar 2013 #75

But we WILL win! lastlib Mar 2013 #78

Nothing like surrendering without trying, is there? 99Forever Mar 2013 #7

Gun control can be passed hack89 Mar 2013 #8

bad gun control is dead bossy22 Mar 2013 #10

"Bad" is in the eye of the beholder pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #19

it's not going anywhere in my state. How do I know? cali Mar 2013 #11

the sky is falling H2O Man Mar 2013 #12

Sounds like you are debating yourself, and you lost to yourself Coyotl Mar 2013 #13

You Think The NRA Has Done A Good Job Of Framing Things? Paladin Mar 2013 #14

The NRA is good at framing it for their purposes. Archae Mar 2013 #24

Temporarily Boosting Gun Sales? Yeah, Maybe. Paladin Mar 2013 #46

There was never any debate, there was a lot of screaming and posturing at both extremes. hobbit709 Mar 2013 #16

Jeez, I tried debating -- even making proposals -- and was called every name in the book. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #111

Message auto-removed Floyd R Turbo Mar 2013 #143

do you think the NRA has salient points on the subject? n/t azurnoir Mar 2013 #144

Whatever alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #17

I'm sorry but 3D printing technology is not so far advanced that widespread home use is an issue... Earth_First Mar 2013 #22

Did you happen to see Rachel's show about this the other night... Little Star Mar 2013 #29

LS, I did not. Perhaps I'll have to look up the video and check it out... Earth_First Mar 2013 #30

Here is a link to the clip from her show on this.... Little Star Mar 2013 #31

Kudos on the link! n/t Earth_First Mar 2013 #32

Some more links which lead to links... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #113

The court cases and legislation that is passing is mostly trending pro-gun rights, Lurks Often Mar 2013 #28

The Great Equalizer is changing it, one candidate at a time. Blackmail by the NRA is ending graham4anything Mar 2013 #37

I have great hopes that Gabby Giffords, Mark Kelly and Mayor Bloomberg's $$ riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #51

Law-abiding citizens abide the law. sadbear Mar 2013 #33

Irrelevant. And facile. Robb Mar 2013 #34

Nonsense. sadbear Mar 2013 #35

Working for a bullet Free America, one day at a time. And then, you can keep your gun. graham4anything Mar 2013 #40

Thats already the law in Chicago. beevul Mar 2013 #122

Because of legal guns going in from the red states with no security. graham4anything Mar 2013 #125

Ah yes, the "guns make them do it" gambit. beevul Mar 2013 #141

Working for a bullet free America, one day at a time. graham4anything Mar 2013 #142

Here's a trio of law abiding citizens for you: Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #39

So making it harder for them to commit crimes would have made no difference? sadbear Mar 2013 #45

Wow. You worked real hard on that one Kolesar Mar 2013 #127

What, as compared to your two sentences and a fragment? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #132

Its not clear that it is illegal to fabricate for personal use ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #53

That can be clarified easy enough. Though 'possession of an AW' should cover it, IF jmg257 Mar 2013 #63

the ban would be on new sales, nobody is talking about confiscating Motown_Johnny Mar 2013 #47

Why not? NY passed defacto mag confiscation..certainly should reduce the numbers in circulation. jmg257 Mar 2013 #48

I think if we pass the laws, a huge segment would comply right off the bat. jmg257 Mar 2013 #49

Actually, many of the proponents of gun control played a large part in this derby378 Mar 2013 #50

"Certain gun control advocates....and I have proof." Paladin Mar 2013 #52

The hypocrisy is breathtaking. Make law abiding citizens criminals for owning firearms. geckosfeet Mar 2013 #69

I don't think many new laws would make citizens criminals for owning guns, only if they persisted jmg257 Mar 2013 #73

As I said. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. geckosfeet Mar 2013 #133

I know what you mean - people picking only those parts of being a community they like, jmg257 Mar 2013 #134

Kind of like picking which parts of the constitution they like. geckosfeet Mar 2013 #136

Some Democratic governors agree ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #55

It'll regain steam after the next mass shooting. sadbear Mar 2013 #61

Yes. 99Forever Mar 2013 #57

The 3D printer thing is a canard jberryhill Mar 2013 #60

Very bad analogy. The threshold for counterfeiting is passing a note off undetected. JVS Mar 2013 #116

I keep on wondering if there is some threshold of gun deaths SheilaT Mar 2013 #62

/\ Ding Ding Ding /\ Enough deaths to diminsh the perceived needs of selfish gun owners? jmg257 Mar 2013 #64

Considering that gun deaths have been steadily declining for a couple of decades hack89 Mar 2013 #65

I doubt it. Those who aren't personally affected would still be more concerned with themselves jmg257 Mar 2013 #67

Fortunately it is unlikely that violent crime rates will reverse anytime soon. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #68

Considering that gun deaths have been steadily declining makes SheilaT Mar 2013 #70

No - your post implied that gun deaths were approaching some sort of threshold hack89 Mar 2013 #71

The best way to make gun deaths decline SheilaT Mar 2013 #117

Your threshold is zero - I get it. hack89 Mar 2013 #118

I have lost several loved ones to lung cancer hack89 Mar 2013 #119

I'm just heartily sick of all of the justifications SheilaT Mar 2013 #120

Marginalizing yourself helps no one but the NRA hack89 Mar 2013 #131

90% of people used to smoke. 90% of people now don't. REGARDLESS of what a smoker might want. graham4anything Mar 2013 #130

Fortunately we have the Patriot Act that you can base your confiscation laws on hack89 Mar 2013 #66

That lot have a lot of newfound love for the Patriot Act and super-PACS. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #72

"...door to door and taking away the guns." Actually, rather popular here if you look up thread... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #114

It was lost when the focus shifted to whether or not a rifle can have a pistol grip krispos42 Mar 2013 #74

That's roughly how I see it. SayWut Mar 2013 #80

I don't think it is so much about persons who "think about kiiling people a lot", as it is about jmg257 Mar 2013 #81

It's not really losing when it was unwinnable from the start. SayWut Mar 2013 #76

It was a tale told by an idiot, full of sounds and fury, signifying nothing Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #123

Message auto-removed 168gr Mar 2013 #124

gun control will be implemented sooner or later.... dtom67 Mar 2013 #126

Would you keep a product that could get you ten years in jail? Kolesar Mar 2013 #128

Millions of Americans do right now Recursion Mar 2013 #137

Message auto-removed MarcusTulliusCicero Mar 2013 #139

Message auto-removed MarcusTulliusCicero Mar 2013 #138

you were never supposed to win it. raw meat to fire up the troops. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #140

REGROUP!!!! scw211 Mar 2013 #149

Hello scw211 In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #154

People have been making gun parts at home madville Mar 2013 #151

That's okay. We'll deal with the criminals making semi-auto gun parts at home. Zen Democrat Mar 2013 #152

*cough* Robb Mar 2013 #155