I think we've already lost the gun control debate.

[Eleanors38]

111. Jeez, I tried debating -- even making proposals -- and was called every name in the book.

Since December 2012, barely any measure was taken seriously unless it involved sweeping bans, unworkable as they are. Anything short of that was called an "NRA talking point." And daily, there are those here (and in state legislatures) who have called for bans, retro-active bans and confiscations -- all followed by "no one wants to take your guns."

Example: Increase security at schools by floating a federal measure (with funding) to allow schools (with no increase in local/state taxes) to improve security by measures involving "hardening" structures, security checks, hiring security, training security. A mild proposal that could go directly to school security. This was called an "NRA talking point" immediately, even though Barbara Boxer (D-Cal.) proposed a much more robust effort involving the use of the national guard! These and other proposals (like universal b.g. checks) still stand for those who are serious about discussion.

But I think a lot of folks think engaging in a blow-it-out culture war is more important than school security.