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66. As you may have guessed
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 10:30 AM
Mar 2013

I'm not a fan of any of the above.

Sorry, I get frustrated and F bombs fill the void quickly to express extreme disapproval of an action, place thing, or person. I'm sure to some it reflects badly on my discussion skills and that's no bodies fault but mine.

It is understandable that some do take offense to both the use of the word and the views represented when used. To that end I try to drop them sparingly unless a situation seems so over the top I lose the ability to do much rather blurt of my obvious outrage and frustration.

Ultimately though I am more offended by our relatively indiscriminate use of drones against poor people in the name of the war on terror which ends up killing innocent men, women, and children. and i am very concerned that same cold hearted, spiritually void mind set could easily creep into the American social psyche considering the current path we are trending.

But with our impeccable record for careful use of drone strikes in third world countries, for reducing excessive use of force by law enforcement here in the states, and for having the lowest rates of incarceration of any modern country in the world; I'm not sure why I'm so frustrated.....



Drone strikes kill, maim and traumatize too many civilians, U.S. study says

By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 8:33 PM EDT, Tue September 25, 2012


(CNN) -- U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan have killed far more people than the United States has acknowledged, have traumatized innocent residents and largely been ineffective, according to a new study released Tuesday.

~Snip~

In contrast to more conservative U.S. statements, the Stanford/NYU report -- titled "Living Under Drones" -- offers starker figures published by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, an independent organization based at City University in London.

"TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 - 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 - 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 - 1,362 individuals," according to the Stanford/NYU study.

Based on interviews with witnesses, victims and experts, the report accuses the CIA of "double-striking" a target, moments after the initial hit, thereby killing first responders....

Full article:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes



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The problem is the openness of interpretation of "extraordinary circumstances" napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #1
That power has always been there. You can't have an interpretation geek tragedy Mar 2013 #2
I made this post a few minutes before you posted: napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #8
I think that is the key. We the people are supposed to screen the crazies out. Not elect them. stevenleser Mar 2013 #9
Yep. If there's a military, the power to abuse it exists. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #10
He didn't say that though, did he? He didn't say "We've always had the authority to kill people HiPointDem Mar 2013 #12
He wasn't asked about "preemptive targeted assassination." geek tragedy Mar 2013 #15
That's not the only problem. The language of that letter is not specific enough to rule out HiPointDem Mar 2013 #11
How many hypotheticals was he supposed to run through? geek tragedy Mar 2013 #13
I read his first paragraph, thanks. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #14
perhaps he should have simply ruled out preemptive assassination, period. much clearer and to the HiPointDem Mar 2013 #17
Problem is, that wasn't the question that was asked. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #20
It's the context of Paul's question, as the US is presently doing targeted, preemptive HiPointDem Mar 2013 #24
"Overseas" is an important distiction jeff47 Mar 2013 #31
I think it makes for a political trap. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #18
no president has ever had any trouble 'acting in an actual catastrophe' & little trouble making HiPointDem Mar 2013 #22
That danger has existed since 1789. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #57
Holder's statement does not rule out preemptive assassinations of americans in the US. That's HiPointDem Mar 2013 #61
So by not saying something he said the opposite? Nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #62
If your aim is to rule something out categorically, you do that. If your aim is to leave the door HiPointDem Mar 2013 #63
His intent was to say as little as possible. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #64
It's what the Pauls do: ProSense Mar 2013 #3
What kind of range do drones have? NightWatcher Mar 2013 #4
The question was more general--whether the President had the authority geek tragedy Mar 2013 #6
The question isn't just about drones jeff47 Mar 2013 #26
Hell, GWB could have order military jet fighters to shoot down the planes that flew into the WTC. Lint Head Mar 2013 #5
Exactly. Paul's question was idiotic. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #7
yes; but could he have ordered drones to kill the 911 plotters before the fact is actually the HiPointDem Mar 2013 #19
No, that's not the question. That's not what Paul geek tragedy Mar 2013 #21
that's the context of paul's question, as the US is presently using preemptive drone strikes against HiPointDem Mar 2013 #23
That wasn't Paul's question. Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #25
= 'we reject the use of force -- in cases where law enforcement is the best means to stop a HiPointDem Mar 2013 #27
Yes, in the circumstances of an attack, not to preempt an attack. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #32
'force necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of an attack' can = forestalling HiPointDem Mar 2013 #35
Except for the part where they said that they explicitly reject the use geek tragedy Mar 2013 #41
except they *didn't* say that; they left the door open for droning. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #42
You told me you read this part: geek tragedy Mar 2013 #46
Holder wrote an intelligent response to an idiot. ProSense Mar 2013 #29
And "overseas" is a very important distinction jeff47 Mar 2013 #28
it's not a very important distinction at all. do you have a problem with the fact that no russian HiPointDem Mar 2013 #30
It is important because it limits the options of the President. jeff47 Mar 2013 #36
are we at war against yemen? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #38
We're at war with the Al Queda aligned groups in Yemen. jeff47 Mar 2013 #39
Are we at war with YEMEN? You required a declaration of war for the russians to drone us. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #40
If the Russians were at war with the NRA, jeff47 Mar 2013 #43
and how about if the russians declared war against the aspca? or the naacp? how would you HiPointDem Mar 2013 #44
It's legal. It doesn't matter if I like it or not. jeff47 Mar 2013 #47
Really? Because those words aren't anywhere in the letter Rand Paul wrote onenote Mar 2013 #33
other words that are not in the letter = a categorical refusal of the right to do preemptive strikes HiPointDem Mar 2013 #34
Then Rand Paul should have asked if the President had the authority geek tragedy Mar 2013 #49
You are correct in that Holder did not answer the geek tragedy Mar 2013 #50
Why haven't you accepted Rand Paul into your heart? Robb Mar 2013 #16
!!! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2013 #37
K&R!!! freshwest Mar 2013 #56
Because a drone strike against American citizens would have thwarted Pearl Harbor. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #45
Perhaps you should re-read Paul's question. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Purveyor Mar 2013 #51
+1 EOM Purveyor Mar 2013 #52
Headlines-Eric Holder for US Supreme Court. Simply the best. Rand Paul indicted for treason. graham4anything Mar 2013 #53
Just what we need on the court another corporate sell out n/t dflprincess Mar 2013 #55
My only worries about the drone program is making sure... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #73
Fuck Paul. Fuck drones. Fuck Holder. think Mar 2013 #54
+1 forestpath Mar 2013 #58
Agreed. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #65
As you may have guessed think Mar 2013 #66
Not offended at all. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #67
Finally a post that makes sense. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #68
"Like." hay rick Mar 2013 #59
He states that prevention of terrorist attacks within the US is the job of law geek tragedy Mar 2013 #60
What a steaming load of apologist bullshit. woo me with science Mar 2013 #69
Lying about what I wrote and then piling on with insults geek tragedy Mar 2013 #70
You seem to have a problem with being a Democrat... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #72
For anyone siding with REPUBLICAN Rand Paul, I suggest this: Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #71
Oh for fuck's sake. woo me with science Mar 2013 #74
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