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Peace Patriot

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74. I recced this OP. Now I wish I could unrec it. It's bullshit.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 10:49 AM
Mar 2013

I recced it too fast, thinking it was a Bechtel/Bolivia situation come home to haunt us. I failed to notice that it was "natural news" (which is very unnatural, corporate-friendly disinformation).

Very clever of the poster to dress this disinformation up as leftist/progressive by mentioning, um, Betel/in Mexico?, and even getting that all wrong, as if it was just a casual remark.

I don't think it was.

Looking at this guy's LAKES ("ponds," my ass) and also at the clearcuts on that property, I would guess that he's already in violation of dozens of state and federal environmental laws, and, what is even more important, environmental principles. The land is already very stressed, which means that fish, bird and other extinctions are already well under way. The land is degraded, which also means that the watersheds and the creeks and rivers that feed them are already degraded--already too warm for some fish and aquatic life, already too few trees, already possibly polluted, at least with sediment, during the rainy season. To add further stresses to this environment--reducing the water available downstream, landscaping lakes into this environment where trees and other plants, and wildlife, once lived, boating in it (possibly polluting it), and other such impacts violate vital environmental principles, not just the rights of the public to downstream water itself, but the rights of the public to biodiversity (to fish, birds, etc.) and ultimately to a viable planet, everywhere.

It's possible that this man did not clearcut this property (in the checkerboard fashion we see in the photo). Some corporation likely did that, significantly degraded the property and thus sold it. This has happened time and again in California, Oregon and Washington. It is endemic to the region. Corporations degrade the forest, the rivers and the wildlife to a horrible degree, for quick profit, then sell out to some kind of development or other. Maybe he's not responsible for all that, but he is NOW responsible for those past impacts. Maybe his is a better use than, say, tract houses, but he is STILL responsible to and for the CURRENT conditions of the land and its resources--including fish, birds and other wildlife that know no boundaries, and the trees, shrubs, insects, microbes and everything upon which the wildlife depends, and on which both local communities and the entire planet depend.

There is no such thing as "a king in his castle." A "king" dies--withers away--alone in his castle, without the surrounding community to support him. It is completely irresponsible to think otherwise, to think that whatever you do on your "property"--an artificial creation of government, in the first place--is "nobody else's business." Sorry, but healthy fish, bird and other wildlife populations, healthy watersheds and a viable planet ARE my business and the business of all of us and that of our government when it is acting in our interest and the good all.

You cannot parcel these things up. Nature simply doesn't work that way. And you cannot separate the concept of "rainwater" from the lands over which clouds collect and move and into which rainwater falls. The clouds and all of their properties, the water in all of its forms, and the life that springs up from the ground, in response to sunlight, rain and fog, and soil nutrients, evolving over millions of years, are all one complex ecology, related to every other micro-climate in the vicinity, AND to wildlife populations that may migrate from thousands of miles away, from complex ecologies and micro-climates at the other end of their travels.

If you come in and damn up lakes, you are profoundly impacting that ecology. If you do it to an already stressed environment, your impacts multiply exponentially.

This is what public water commissions have learned over the last half century. To protect the water that they are obliged to provide for the public good, they MUST protect the environment in which the water accumulate and flows--the watersheds, the drainage systems--or the consequences can be dire, in dried up watersheds, droughts and other disasters. And the fish, birds and other wildlife are INDICATORS of the health of the watershed. The wildlife is (supposedly) protected by other, related laws--for its own sake, as a value to human life and to our society (and, as a matter of constitutional fact, in Bolivia and Ecuador nowadays, for its own sake alone--for Mother Nature's right to exist and prosper). But water commissions in particular don't idly count fish, for instance, for something to do, or because they like meddling in someone else's business. They MUST look at the gages of watershed health and viability.

To sum up, this man is NOT just using rainwater. He is vacuuming up GROUNDWATER--rain in the ground, rain that filters down through the watersheds and their greenery and that flows under the ground in aquifers. He doesn't have a tunnel in the sky that just captures rain within his lakes' boundaries.

This is far, far different from peasants in Bolivia collecting rainwater in a barrel--and Bechtel trying to collect money from the poorest of the poor for doing so. And in purpose and scale, it is far different even from directing rainwater, via aqueducts or natural channels, into peasant gardens or farmlands. Peasants don't farm on the scale of Chevron or Monsanto or Chiquita. And they furthermore tend to have respect--based on thousand year old knowledge and traditions--for the resources they use. Even if they do something on a fairly large scale, for them, they don't disrupt natural cycles and ecosystems, the way transglobal corporations do.

There is simply no comparison between this man's situation and the poor people in Bolivia who got charged for collecting rainwater. Bechtel was not trying to save watersheds. It was merely profiteering. The authorities who came down on this man's lakes are charged with protecting watersheds. This is not to say that corporations don't interfere--by way of privatization and profiteering--in the process of public water protection. They do! But that is no reason to end public water protection. It is a reason to end Corporate Rule.

This post supports Corporate Rule, by trying to equate public water protection with oppression. It is aimed at ending such public good activity and privatizing everything. And it represents one of the unholiest alliances in the world, and one that is KILLING OUR PLANET--the alliance between wealthy private landowners and transglobal corporations that promotes this myth of "the king in his castle" in order to hoodwink very small landowners and homeowners, and non-wealthy people, into supporting their actually insane polices of deregulation. This unholy alliance is, of course, sucking at the public tit, all the while, as they preach "rugged individualism" and puny-minded selfishness and "small government" (read: no government!). Sucking in your tax dollars and mine, in all manner of subsidies and tax breaks, sucking off the infrastructure that we as a people created as a public good, and robbing us blind in numerous ways.

I was glad when DU got rid of the unrec function. It really wasn't very useful and I wouldn't want it back--but I hereby take back my rec of this post. It is Corporate propaganda, sneakily parading as something else.

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Because even the Bush family are part of "water grabbing", or "hydraulic empire". Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #1
I remember that ConcernedCanuk Mar 2013 #3
The Bushes bought some 100,000 acres in Paraguay... KansDem Mar 2013 #44
wait a minute, this is not some guy with a bucket next to his house CreekDog Mar 2013 #2
Its RAINWATER!! ConcernedCanuk Mar 2013 #5
well what are the fish supposed to live in? CreekDog Mar 2013 #12
A person collects water to live ConcernedCanuk Mar 2013 #16
that guy collected a huge KT2000 Mar 2013 #25
"collects water to live"... stocks it with trout, builds docks for recreational boating Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #31
This guy is a selfish destructive pig who is obstinately hurting his neighbors alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #59
YOu are the one that needs educating dbackjon Mar 2013 #68
If a natural resource that falls on your land isn't yours caseymoz Mar 2013 #19
what does private property care about nature? CreekDog Mar 2013 #21
Clarify maybe? caseymoz Mar 2013 #26
what you do on your property *may* harm the environment CreekDog Mar 2013 #28
A lot more.. sendero Mar 2013 #45
Or punished for making use of the sunlight that hits your property. eom Blanks Mar 2013 #47
Will we still be allowed to collect sunlight for energy needs? nt kelliekat44 Mar 2013 #49
that's next bigtree Mar 2013 #54
are the ponds natural or man made? CreekDog Mar 2013 #35
Your absolutely correct. Live your principles and reject antibiotics when infected as galileoreloaded Mar 2013 #63
No I won't. If you want to respond properly --you have to consider the context CreekDog Mar 2013 #66
Thanks Creek. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #48
maddening! grasswire Mar 2013 #4
That one took me a moment. OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #34
I don't know about Mexico but Bechtel tried it in Bolivia and it didn't go over well at all Catherina Mar 2013 #6
been out of touch for 5 years - you are correct about Bechtel ConcernedCanuk Mar 2013 #10
+10,000 Catherina Mar 2013 #13
"we've been so thoroughly conditioned to bow down to the almighty god of profit. " ConcernedCanuk Mar 2013 #14
Oh, don't worry-- we'll *all* be outraged again once there's a Republican president. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #18
It is a horried state of reality. Knightraven Mar 2013 #7
What this guy was doing was damming in a watershed JCMach1 Mar 2013 #8
Read the other links ConcernedCanuk Mar 2013 #11
If you wanted to make a serious point dbackjon Mar 2013 #70
Depending on his set-up, it might be a violation of health regulations. wickerwoman Mar 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2013 #15
Actually, it's still illegal. Robb Mar 2013 #64
Can you sue the owner of the rainwater Downwinder Mar 2013 #17
Well, - that'd be God or whatever spirits one believes in ConcernedCanuk Mar 2013 #20
Excellent question. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #24
I was just wondering. Downwinder Mar 2013 #27
Hmm.. goes against what many architects are practicing these days. crazy homeless guy Mar 2013 #22
i have a couple of issues with this OP, and no, I'm not corporate CreekDog Mar 2013 #23
It's no coincidence that it's all right wing sources for the Gary Harrington bargle Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #30
Heres a question davidthegnome Mar 2013 #29
how can we have any useful discussion if people won't argue rationally here? CreekDog Mar 2013 #32
If we don't allow companies the freedom to emit toxic fumes, next we'll outlaw FARTING! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #33
You do realize I was joking, right? davidthegnome Mar 2013 #37
then the government can't regulate to protect the environment CreekDog Mar 2013 #40
Not my point at all. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #55
Reductio ad absurdum demwing Mar 2013 #57
I didn't say that. I said if it can't be regulated by the government, the environment can't... CreekDog Mar 2013 #65
What? That's like saying when you stub your toe all toes now need to be Javaman Mar 2013 #72
Wow. In my town, which is NW Indiana, there are rain barrels at the town hall with brochures and kas125 Mar 2013 #36
Yikes! When I was a kid, I used to collect rain water for my pet frogs... Rhiannon12866 Mar 2013 #38
I've researched sustainable, off-the-grid living justiceischeap Mar 2013 #39
Chevron and Wal Mart want to be able to do whatever they want CreekDog Mar 2013 #41
I'm the last to say we need to stop environmental laws justiceischeap Mar 2013 #43
Pretty soon, Americans might start getting charged just for breathing. Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #42
I didn't follow all the links but I did read some madokie Mar 2013 #46
For some reason, this 3-year-old story gets reposted every few months Recursion Mar 2013 #50
+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #61
This. Earth_First Mar 2013 #71
Ahhhhh, naturalnews... Scootaloo Mar 2013 #51
This thread is bullshit - the guy diverted water when he had no legal rights to do so hatrack Mar 2013 #52
Well as long as I can keep my 2 empty big tubs for rain water next to my home veggie garden. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #53
We had multiple threads on his case last summer. Here's one: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #56
Funny how many DUers missed the point then, too... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #62
Google the rainfall in that area DiverDave Mar 2013 #58
No, it doesn't rain all the time there - December's wettest at 3.5", but summer rainfall is minimal hatrack Mar 2013 #69
A little of Topic but 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #60
Naturalnews... SidDithers Mar 2013 #67
Huh? So my bird baths and wheel barrow are illegal? How about the garden? talkingmime Mar 2013 #73
I recced this OP. Now I wish I could unrec it. It's bullshit. Peace Patriot Mar 2013 #74
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