Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
31. The United States was not militarily ready for war.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 03:33 PM
Mar 2013

We began our military buildup before we entered WWII. The draft was reinstated in September of 1940, but didn't actually get underway until mid-1941. Our buildup of military equipment started around 1938, but it takes time to build battleships and aircraft carriers, and to design and work the bugs out of airplanes.

Soldiers trained with sticks instead of rifles.

Our airplanes were hopeless obsolete.

Our torpedoes didn't work. This problem didn't get fixed until 1943. Many Japanese ship were hit with duds.

Look at this video, sometime between 1937-1940. The Calvary is still riding horses. The tanks in the video were already outdated. The artillery is being pulled by horses. The rifles are 1903 models, even though the M-1 Garand had already been adopted. (When the Marines invaded Guadalcanal they were still using the 1903 rifle.) Look at the planes - autogryos and biplanes - not a single modern fighter in the newsreel.



Look at this video newsreel from 1941. The Louisiana maneuvers. Old rifles, old planes, calvary on horses (After the Germans had chopped the Polish horse calvary to pieces in 1939.)


There is another famous video that I searched for and can't find on YouTube. It was a newsreel of the 1941 Louisanna maneuvers. It showed trucks with "Tank" painted on the side and soldiers using sticks to simulate machine guns.

If we had entered the war in 1940 Hitler would have died laughing. We were still unprepared on Dec 7 1941.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Had we entered the war earlier, it might have been over in MineralMan Mar 2013 #1
The benefits of the massive bombardments is questionable. n/t Cary Mar 2013 #3
Perhaps so. I haven't studied the strategic MineralMan Mar 2013 #6
I wouldn't say I studied it closely but my understanding is that we realized limited benefits and Cary Mar 2013 #24
Both things are true. Until WWII, the capacity MineralMan Mar 2013 #30
I think history shows that bombing civilians increases their hatred and will to fight rather than pampango Mar 2013 #29
Second guessing historical characters, with the advantage of hindsight... Cary Mar 2013 #2
+1. This Thread Belongs In American History Group, Not GD. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #11
The movie The Final Countdown addresses exactly that. Pararescue Mar 2013 #18
I hated the ending. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #20
I thought the ending sucked also. Pararescue Mar 2013 #25
Roosevelt had to wait until the country would support the war... tokenlib Mar 2013 #4
I agree. In fact I posted that FDR had no choice given the sentiments of the time. pampango Mar 2013 #7
We should have at least used the Neutrality Act to prosecute Prescott Bush and other Wall St leveymg Mar 2013 #5
Prescott Bush was quoted as saying, "If I could just talk to Mr. Hitler..." lastlib Mar 2013 #9
That's an important quote, but it was Sen. Borah who said it, according to Rob't Parry leveymg Mar 2013 #17
Given the isolationist stance sarisataka Mar 2013 #8
All very interesting and plausible possibilities. Just goes to show how unpredictable war pampango Mar 2013 #23
I like reading what if books... sarisataka Mar 2013 #28
US traditionally didn't declare war until attacked. reformist2 Mar 2013 #10
Other: we should have prevented WWII by never having WWI Taverner Mar 2013 #12
How would you have stopped WWI from happening? pampango Mar 2013 #15
The Czarist Okhrana precipitated the assassination plot of the Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo. leveymg Mar 2013 #19
That's a toughie, but a big part would be to render Archduke Ferdinand's killing irrelevant Taverner Mar 2013 #35
Definitely *should* have entered earlier, but it was politically impossible. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #13
From what I understand, Roosevelt was primarily concerned about LeftInTX Mar 2013 #14
It was Germany who declared war on us sarisataka Mar 2013 #22
There is no guarantee that an earlier entry to the war would have helped the allied cause. JVS Mar 2013 #16
I think you are right. It took us a long time to crank up military production and draft and train pampango Mar 2013 #26
Roosevelt wanted to, the people were adamantly opposed. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #21
We weren't ready in 1939 or 1940 Lurks Often Mar 2013 #27
The United States was not militarily ready for war. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #31
I agree that we were not ready - even in 1941. France and Britain were not ready either but pampango Mar 2013 #36
If France & England had been smarter they would have beaten Germany in 1940. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #37
Ubiquitous "other"--as a policy matter it may have made sense, but geek tragedy Mar 2013 #32
Actually, had Hitler not declared war on us, it would have been a hard sell to fight him. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #33
I don't think it could have been much sooner...we didn't have a large army, joeybee12 Mar 2013 #34
What if we had had a strong army in 1939? Would entering the war at that point have been pampango Mar 2013 #38
Probably the right thing... joeybee12 Mar 2013 #40
I'm fundamentally an isolationist, but in the case of WW-II we royally screwed up. talkingmime Mar 2013 #39
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Related to another OP, sh...»Reply #31