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CreekDog

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68. in England, you don't have to have health insurance

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 03:57 PM

Jan 2012

oh you have to pay the taxes that help provide health care to yourself and others.

but there's no required insurance there.

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European-style welfare states are lovely! [View all] Prophet 451 Jan 2012 OP

A little OT and as you say "separate rant" MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #1

Thanks Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #4

Indeed they are, but republicans worry that Americans might get ideas from Europe so pampango Jan 2012 #2

I am surprised that Republicans don't call for ending the use of European rurallib Jan 2012 #9

Don't give them any ideas. Most republicans may think English was made in America. pampango Jan 2012 #10

You're absolutely right. mr blur Jan 2012 #3

I don't consider myself a socialist Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #5

They think Europe is still bombed out buildings and starving people izquierdista Jan 2012 #6

Americans ignorance about Europe is mind blowing! CTyankee Jan 2012 #7

What is really mind-blowing is that they say these things in public! nanabugg Jan 2012 #21

sometimes they change their minds. I met a midwestern woman who is Norwegian by descent and CTyankee Jan 2012 #22

Even in that decrepit pit of debt known as Italy WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2012 #8

A friend of mine moved to France nearly hifiguy Jan 2012 #11

What do you do if you don't want health care insurance? kctim Jan 2012 #12

Here (England), that's not an option Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #13

That lack of choice kctim Jan 2012 #16

Freedom to starve under a bridge... Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #18

I agree the guys arguments is paper thin MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #28

Freedom of choice kctim Jan 2012 #39

So... Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #44

No... kctim Jan 2012 #46

They don't mind Tsiyu Jan 2012 #60

Actually, yes they do. Haven't you noticed that schools and libraries are being closed? csziggy Jan 2012 #86

true about the closings Tsiyu Jan 2012 #92

We don't have freedom of choice! Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #56

What about children? CreekDog Jan 2012 #98

But we (UK) can have private insurance if we want (or want to pay for) it - mr blur Jan 2012 #32

You don't have to because you have no choice kctim Jan 2012 #40

What? This is a meaningless statement. mr blur Jan 2012 #42

I am telling you kctim Jan 2012 #43

What are you going on about? Rather than having basic insurance and freedom to get more uppityperson Jan 2012 #72

What about the choice TO have government health care? laundry_queen Jan 2012 #106

No matter how you try to spin this, it's seriously getting more comical with each statement. HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #49

There are only facts, no spin at all kctim Jan 2012 #50

You know what this sounds like to me? HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #53

You win the thread, Hugh. hifiguy Jan 2012 #54

Here's what's even sadder . . . HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #57

Yep. And the bigger the pool hifiguy Jan 2012 #59

Overhead Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #62

"And defending the "freedom" to die for want of medical treatment is not an argument I would care to kctim Jan 2012 #89

In the name of a healthier, better society? hifiguy Jan 2012 #91

"using government to force another individual to believe as you do"? WTF? Who is doing that? uppityperson Jan 2012 #102

Excellent post. laundry_queen Jan 2012 #105

Winner Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #61

You get a shiny new internet. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #66

Exactly. Good post, thank you. uppityperson Jan 2012 #73

So now you are guessing at what may be said in the future? kctim Jan 2012 #88

Wow you sound like such a libertarain right now. white_wolf Jan 2012 #107

freedom for 45,000 people to die uninsured each year. yay for rugged individualism. we're so smart. piratefish08 Jan 2012 #48

So we should take away the rights of ALL kctim Jan 2012 #51

A few? Hissyspit Jan 2012 #63

You've either never worked, or you've never been laid off DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #65

I am not trying to "sway" you one bit kctim Jan 2012 #76

Or how about *you* move to Somalia, libertarian paradise Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #67

Leave your country? Mr. West, is that you? kctim Jan 2012 #77

There's only one republican in this subthread Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #83

+1 nt laundry_queen Jan 2012 #108

+200 HughBeaumont Feb 2012 #110

What "rights of ALL" are being taken away? uppityperson Jan 2012 #74

Why would you not want health care? Marrah_G Jan 2012 #52

It's not about 'not wanting health care' kctim Jan 2012 #78

Right now people don't have the choice TO have it. laundry_queen Jan 2012 #109

I have no idea why you are trying to explain that kctim Feb 2012 #113

The US government "mandates" that you pretty much have to buy insurance, or you're screwed. Quantess Feb 2012 #115

Taxes are a government mandate that support those laundry_queen Feb 2012 #117

This is disingenuous in the extreme Mopar151 Feb 2012 #111

Not the least bit disingenuous kctim Feb 2012 #112

Those "millions and millions" are already stiffing us with the bill! Mopar151 Feb 2012 #114

The thing is you have a functionally false set of assumptions TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #116

that's actually a bs line being sold by republicans DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #64

You need to venture out of CA kctim Jan 2012 #79

is 44 states on the checklist good enough for you? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #81

While ND is a beautiful state kctim Jan 2012 #85

I'll take that as a yes. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #87

Concern trolling universal health care doesn't make you a "moderate" CreekDog Jan 2012 #99

You are free to not use your insurance if you don't want to. Having the ability to use it is giving uppityperson Jan 2012 #71

No, their argument is kctim Jan 2012 #80

We don't get to pick and chose what government services are paid for by our tax money csziggy Jan 2012 #90

too late. you used the public trough and you still do CreekDog Jan 2012 #100

Just. Don't. Use. It. Like you can chose to not use public schools or roads. uppityperson Jan 2012 #103

Seriously? laundry_queen Jan 2012 #104

to me this is like saying, i won't drive on highways so i won't pay taxes La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2012 #23

and it's too late...that poster already took from the system CreekDog Jan 2012 #101

You pay because you may one day need emergency treatment Londoncalling Jan 2012 #41

Oh, don't tell Robinson Crusoe that!!! HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #55

To be fair MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #82

in England, you don't have to have health insurance CreekDog Jan 2012 #68

What if you don't want to be defended by armed forces? 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2012 #93

How about just a working healthcare system and affordable insurance JCMach1 Jan 2012 #14

That works too n/t Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #17

If we're going to have affordable private insurance, it'll have to be non-profit coops meow2u3 Jan 2012 #27

+1000 LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #15

Such as the ConDems Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #35

How can people learn to depend on Jesus if bad stuff can't happen to them? CreekDog Jan 2012 #69

There is currently a financial crisis in Europe. Surely this bears on the discussion. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #19

Tell us how, Romulox. sibelian Jan 2012 #20

Several Europeans governments are debating "austerity" measures--e.g. Romulox Jan 2012 #25

This austerity debate is American made as a part of disaster capital and Milton Friedman's trickle jwirr Jan 2012 #29

That wasn't the reason for it, that just made it happen sooner. abowsh Jan 2012 #94

Doesn't really figure into it Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #36

Um, no. It's much more serious than that. Check the world news. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #38

I do, often Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #45

are ANY of these nations considering eliminating universal health care? CreekDog Jan 2012 #70

I don't know wtf you are talking about; I support Single Payer Healthcare here in the US. Romulox Jan 2012 #84

isn't there a financial crisis here? La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2012 #24

Not to the same degree. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #26

Pretty sure there's one in the USA as well. Quantess Jan 2012 #31

Most countries' health care services are not "free" Quantess Jan 2012 #30

No fees to see a doctor in the NHS (nt) mr blur Jan 2012 #33

that's the UK? Quantess Jan 2012 #34

Different nations do it slightly differently Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #37

Prescriptions are free in Scotland (nt) MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #58

Thems Guvmint DEATH PANELS!!! ellisonz Jan 2012 #47

I love Europe, especially for this reason CreekDog Jan 2012 #75

And yet England is the country that has fewer social safety nets Cleita Jan 2012 #95

Yep, we do Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #96

I'm not criticizing. Sorry if it came across like that. Cleita Jan 2012 #97