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sarisataka

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47. Nothing absolutist. The problem is they are not arbitrary

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:48 PM

Mar 2013

but vitally important. Take a look and a few laws and see how many begin with a section labeled "Definitions". To regulate an item or action it must first be clearly defined.

If you fire your coke can out of a tube, it is a projectile, yet still explosive. If you fill it with concrete, then launch it, it would be considered a bullet. A bullet is an inert projectile.

The failure of many bad, and some good, gun control efforts and because of two reasons. Either they fail to define specifically what they are regulation or they use an arbitrary definition- i.e. assault rifle, which has no clear cut meaning. Nearly everything related to firearms has a clear accepted definition; ironically "assault rifles" do not. Even in the shooting community there is debate of what is and what is not an "assault rifle"

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Can I get an atom bomb? wtmusic Mar 2013 #9

If you're rich enough you could buy GE, so yes Recursion Mar 2013 #25

Fuck the nuke-grabbers and their limits. I have my second amendment rights wtmusic Mar 2013 #27

Nukes cost an absolute shit-ton of money, and there are strict access limits Recursion Mar 2013 #28

The access limits are a violation of the Second Amendment wtmusic Mar 2013 #29

Nope, use of arms is not the same as the keeping and bearing of arms Recursion Mar 2013 #30

Bullshit. wtmusic Mar 2013 #32

I'm not sure what you consider "highly" restricted Recursion Mar 2013 #35

Of course, it doesn't say "firearms" in the Constitution. wtmusic Mar 2013 #38

Take it up with the Supreme Court; that's how the law has been decided for 80 years Recursion Mar 2013 #41

Nukes are commonly in use by infantry? wtmusic Mar 2013 #43

No, that's my point. This whole idea is a strawman Recursion Mar 2013 #45

But...but...SCOTUS is the government. I have guns to protect myself from the government. wtmusic Mar 2013 #48

... ellisonz Mar 2013 #84

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Much as they try and deny it, the pro-gun argument always steers right. wtmusic Mar 2013 #23

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It seems as if they are marketing those to military support organizations. EOTE Mar 2013 #31

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They might be marketing to military support orgs. Pararescue Mar 2013 #44

I see the links you're providing. EOTE Mar 2013 #46

Sure there are limits. Pararescue Mar 2013 #49

So, my comment remains. EOTE Mar 2013 #55

Neither would I want to live in a country like that. Pararescue Mar 2013 #57

I see his assertion, but I see nothing in terms of proof backing that up. EOTE Mar 2013 #61

I looked also and couldn't find anything about the legality of owning one. Pararescue Mar 2013 #64

I did find this, which suggests that it's illegal. EOTE Mar 2013 #67

The launcher itself isn't illegal to own, Pararescue Mar 2013 #68

Nope. No right to own explosives, which the rockets and missiles are. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #18

He could take the warheads off the missiles and replace them with paintballs. wtmusic Mar 2013 #20

The rocket motor is also an explosive. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #22

So is a bullet. wtmusic Mar 2013 #24

A bullet is a projectile sarisataka Mar 2013 #33

Blah blah considered blah, but blah blah. wtmusic Mar 2013 #34

I can consider a toaster sarisataka Mar 2013 #40

I love it when gun advocates go absolutist. wtmusic Mar 2013 #42

Nothing absolutist. The problem is they are not arbitrary sarisataka Mar 2013 #47

So you agree that gun control is not (categorically) a bad idea? nt wtmusic Mar 2013 #52

I have no problem with the concept of sarisataka Mar 2013 #58

Gotcha wtmusic Mar 2013 #62

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Hmmmmm? wtmusic Mar 2013 #56

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People can buy, own, make, and fire quite substantial rocket motors slackmaster Mar 2013 #50

With appropriate licenses, yes. But the fact they need a license means it isn't a right. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #74

Is there not a right to marriage? slackmaster Mar 2013 #77

No, there isn't. There is a right to equal treatment under the law. jeff47 Mar 2013 #80

But there are specific legal conditions for common-law marriage. slackmaster Mar 2013 #82

And there are specific legal conditions for not-common-law marriages jeff47 Mar 2013 #85

The Supreme Court has ruled many times that marriage is a fundamental right. slackmaster Mar 2013 #88

Anyone who can qualify for a license can own and and use explosives slackmaster Mar 2013 #51

Question, because I'm not sure Pararescue Mar 2013 #53

They're destructive devices under the law. It is at least theoretically possible to buy them... slackmaster Mar 2013 #54

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Great information. Pararescue Mar 2013 #70

There are a number of DIY cruise missile projects on the Internet. Xithras Mar 2013 #71

Thanks. Pararescue Mar 2013 #72

And by needing to qualify for a license, it isn't a right jeff47 Mar 2013 #75

You can't be arbitrarily denied an explosives permit for a capricious reason. slackmaster Mar 2013 #76

What in your background would disqualify you from free speech? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #78

Being a convicted felon held in solitary confinement in prison slackmaster Mar 2013 #79

Convicted felons in prison have gone through due process jeff47 Mar 2013 #81

That's exactly what I am saying. All rights exist save those that have been curtailed through... slackmaster Mar 2013 #83

But a felony conviction that prevents you from getting an explosives license jeff47 Mar 2013 #86

In some states a felony conviction prevents you from voting slackmaster Mar 2013 #87

Yet you did not have to apply for a license to vote jeff47 Mar 2013 #89

I think I've lost the thread here. Besides marriage, which you are wrong about, what are you saying slackmaster Mar 2013 #90

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